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Updated: 2:42 p.m. ET Aug. 23, 2004CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush says a veterans� group should stop television ads criticizing John Kerry�s war record.

The president's criticism of the ads by Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth came as Bush denounced all TV ads by outside groups attacking both Kerry and himself on Monday and called for a halt to all such political efforts.

�I think they�re bad for the system,� he said.

When asked specifically whether the ads by the group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" should be halted, Bush said: "All of them. That means that ad, every other ad. Absolutely."

"I can't be more plain about it," Bush said. "I hope my opponent joins me in condemning these activities of the 527s (political groups that sponsor to ads). I think they're bad for the system."

It's about time!!

Howdy Mr. Oldguns...

Actually I believe John O'neil, and I think they are telling the truth. My suspicion is not so much that these Navy Vets are all wrapped up in getting Bush Re-elected as they are about vidicating the honor of the men that Kerry scandalized, ie that being the vast majority of men who served in Vietnam but never raped, murdered, or dismembered civilians.

So I kinda think it is a righteous grudge match, and this election is just a forum for these old timers to tell their story again.

AND- I think that elections are where we as a people engage in debate about facts and policies. I hate to see that suppressed in any way. We have to trust the American people to see through the hogwash.

If the Vets pull the ads will M. Moore stop promoting his movie and stop it from being shown or distributed on CD's?

I think Bush is in a sense betraying John Oniel and the honorable vets who served in Vietnam. Let the book and facts speak for themselves. By saying that they should pull the ads Bush is saying that the Vets are either liars or that they are ill motivated and I don't believe either is true.

I think the Swift Boat Vets are motivated by righteous indignation and that their accounts are true. There is no way on earth you are going to get that MANY Navy officers to collude together and tell lies. They fought together over there in a real poop pot and if Kerry got his Silver Star honest they would fight tooth and toe nail to vindicate him.

I've listened to Kerry's version of events, and, as an old soldier, who grew up on a farm, I recognize the smell of BS. You can tell who's story adds up, and who's doesn't, and Kerry's doesn't add up. I wasn't in the Navy, or Vietnam, for that matter, but I think his story is nonsense. As for the ads, Bush had to say something, the Democrats have about $176 million in 527 ads out there, and it isn't all one way in the ugly department. The Swiftboat ads are certainly making Kerry squirm, aren't they?

Bush has had to put up with $75 million worth of smear ads from Moveon.org and other lefty outfits, many funded by George Soros, which have among other things, compared Bush to Hitler. Not to mention that scumbag liar Michael Moore's trash movie, which the demo lickspittle media duly hyped for months on end. And who can forget the month long front page non story of W's National Guard service.
If the armed forces records settle everything, as Kerry's people now argue, why did the mainstream media salivate for a month over a guy the Air Force said was honorably discharged? This selective indignation wears a bit thin.
I think it is clear that Kerry was an ambitious medal hunter who wanted to get to Nam, get his tickets punched, and get home to run for office. Not a crime, just a little cheesy.
What is far more offensive, IMHO, is the subject of the second Swiftie ad, his lying "war crimes" testimony, while the nation was still at war and POWs were held, for cynical political gain. That is what should disqualify him for office, outside the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

To "H" with Kerry and the horse he rode in on, it just bothers me that anyone who served in Nam and earned a few metals might have them called into question over dirty politics.

I'm a Nam Vet and I don't want anybody questioning my service record and I wouldn't question any other combat veteran's record.

I think the rub is tho Haggis - he is standing on that record as his reason to be President. He stabbed his shipmates in the back when he came back - all it seems now - for political gain.

I have no problem with a man who went to Nam - my father in law went too, Kerry tho does seem to have a problem with those who went other than himself. After all he witnessed countless war crimes, was in Cambodia during Christmas 68 (seared into his brain - problem is Nixon wasn't in the WH, and apparently according to Kerry it wasn't then now either) and like Dole says - got 3 purple hearts for not bleeding.

It diminishes the achievements of those who have more than earned it. I know of and have talked to people who don't (now) think too much of having a purple heart. Based on Kerry and his record - not the Swift add but the limited records Kerry has released. Pizzes me off really.

You can not go into a job interview saying you should have a job because you went to the CRF college and not expect the HR guy to check it out, when things dojn't really add up - and he questions you on it - don't scream persecution.

Its obvious Kerry either lied then or now and should stand trial under the UCMJ for not stoppuing the war crimes he says he saw. Make him come to court and either prove his innocence or take the music for a CRIME which he is still liable for. Either he is going to go down for the crimes or if he proves his innocence and thus the innocence of those men he has impuned with his testimony infront of the senate if he proves these things did not happen then he needs to go down with perjury - he was under oath when he told of those crime and being in Cambodia. Like OJ - getting away with it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.




-here I promised myself I would stay out of politics <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

Haggis, I guess whether he really earned them is the issue, isn't it? I'm sure you saw how people can game the system.

But what he did when he came home is on TV for everyone to see---ain't no question about that part.



Since a war protester has no chance of being elected today, now he's switched back and embraces the medals he once threw away. Which honor his service in what he has said under oath was a criminal war. Which is it, Skipper John?



I saw something today that really sums him up. At the beginning of the HBO series Band of Brothers, the narrator says "I wasn't a hero, but I once served with a band of heroes"....Kerry's version seems to be "I was a hero, but I served with a band of war criminals".

I am also a Viet Nam vet and if J. Kerry is lying about his medals to gain the the office of President, I want to know about it. I think voters should ask more questions of everyone running for any elected office. As far as J. Kerry is concerned, He is telling a way too much bs for me to trust him with anything. I feared for the vets at his speech that turned their backs on him. I would not be brave enough to turn my back to him, there could soon be a knife in it. miles

If we are going to question the service record of one combat veteran then why not question the service records of all combat veterans? It has only been 35 years for most of us; I'm sure we can all recall every detail of every engagement flawlessly.

I don't trust Bush or Kerry and could care less about either one of these jokers, but I don't enjoy hearing combet veterans turning on each other like dogs, and over politics no less.

I do not advocate questioning the record of all veterans, just the ones that are trying to run the country. When a person stands up and says the he is the best man to run the United States, we need to ask hard questions and look at any record available. I am not upset about a hazy memory, but out and out lies are another thing. It seems that he was lying a long time ago when things were fresh in his mind. miles

Here's another Kerry lie. It seems he was at a Martin Luther King memorial service and "recounted" (actually revisioned) how he was serving diligently in Viet Nam that April when he heard the news of Kings murder. He didn't go to the Nam until November.

Here's the REALLY scary part: people are falling for this guys crap! He is a proven liar. He is the epitome of the worst definition of "politician". He is a self serving opportunist in every regard. He has repeatedly aligned himself with the extreme leftist element on every cause. He has constantly shirked his elected duty for self gain. And he talks like a Brahmin sophisticate.

What has happened to the discernment of the masses that this travesty (Kerry) of the American political environment would even be considered for a seat on a town council, much less the most powerful position in the entire world???!!!

I am having problems sleeping at night because I believe we are in for serious problems. I can see this fool selling us out to the Islamists, knowing he can just lie his way out of it like he has all his life. What ever he does, if elected, honesty will only result if it is convenient This man has shown that any means, certainly to include wild fabrications, justify his ends.

Most of us have griped about this long enough. Now what are you going to do about it?

If you've seen the debate on the Dick Cavett show, you can't help but be struck by how his accent has "evolved" over the years. He used to sound like the Charles Emmerson Winchester III character from the old M.A.S.H. TV series.

Anybody who knows from speech pathology knows that distinct regional speech patterns don't spontaneously change after the age of 25. The guy spent money and a lot of time with speech coaches to lose the prissy Thurston Howell/Yaley/Old Money/Eastern Preparatory Academy thing.

The guy is dishonest to his very marrow. I'm convinced the ambulance chaser he shares the ticket with is Forrest Gump by comparison.

If the CIC wants the negative ads stopped, he should get the word out to his troops. I live in Missouri, a "swing state" and we are heartily sick of the dead-catting. I heard another just yesterday on the radio, and it was approved by Mr. Bush.

Usually an incumbent runs on his own record, not his opponent's.

One hears on the news that Republicans will vote Republican period, and Democrats will vote Democrat period. The swing votes will then choose the next President on merit rather than party.

I wouldn't vote for either of these sacks of pus but I'm sick of combat veterans bashing each other and combat vets of one party saying that they lied to get a metal in order to call a combat vet of another party a liar.

Speaking as one that was there(RVN) amd got the T shirt complete with holes, and a Six month stay at Bethesda Naval Hospital as my Graduation gift. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I can assure you that We were in Cambodia and Laos long before the American Public knew about it.
On the subject of the PH, the Navy and Marine Corp policy was if you received a PH with 2 Clusters, you could go home Virtually every engagement you will get shrapnel wounds or at least bleed from something.
I have known guys that were lucky and never got a scratch,
but most of us weren't so lucky.
I left many a friend Dead in the Mud of that Cesspool and cannot fathom why we are involved in another debacle called Iraq? The reason I won't vote for Bush again is that He has been an abject failure as President and the worst we have had since Hoover. Every problem since He took office has been blamed on the previous administrations back to Harry Truman including his Father's, bad intel or someone elses fault. He has never taken any responsibility for any thing.
I was under the impression that Bin Laden was the root of our Terror Problems not Saddass Insane, yet we put our major efforts into going after him instead of Bin Laden searching for Georges "Holy Grail" (WMDs) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Just this morning on CNN (Communist News Network) they showed Satellite photos of ACTIVE al queda training camps TODAY in Pakistan. Are we out of Cruise Missles or what? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
I know some will say that Pakistan is a sovreign Country that we would be attacking but that never stopped us before did it?
BTW I suggest that everyone read Kerry's COMPLETE testimony word for word instead of taking excerpts from it which are totally out of Context. The Beheadings, ear taking, rapes, etc. all did happen, as they do in EVERY WAR.
On what scale this occured remains unknown to this day.
I personally saw ARVN troops rape Three NVA nurses and then kill them. We weren't allowed to say anything because these guys were our allies. They weren't wrong when they said "War is Hell". Like all of you that comment on it, I wasn't on Kerry's Boat and neither were the whiners that He supposedly impuned.
Do we discount the Special Forces Lt. that Kerry pulled out ot the water while Chuck was shooting at him? Is He a liar too?
BTW Wasn't this the same organization that said John McCain was a turncoat as a POW when He ran against Bush?
Personally I will take the word of the guy that was pulled out of the River. Not someone that can't get past a War from Thirty Five years ago
John Kerry is not the answer to all our problems but this Country needs a change and since we can't come up with Better candidates than a Rich Carpetbagging Yankee that wants to be a Texas Cowboy and a Rich Yankee with a penchant for Ketchup on his chin that wants to be a War Hero, and since I like Burgers, I'll go with the Ketchup King. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Speaking of Medals, how does one get drafted, doesn't see any Combat , comes home iwith Six months total service as a Sgt. with a Hearing disability,Purple Heart and Bronze Star?
Just ask Tom Ridge the Homeland Security Director, He can tell you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Well, several men on boats next to him say that a mine exploded and threw him in to the water and that there was no other enemy fire at the time. J. kerry and his boat took off away from the scene and then saw there was no enemy around and came back. That is when he pulled the man from the water. I was not there but do you believe two men or tweny?? When J. Kerry is one of the two, that makes it even less likely that the two are telling the right story. miles

I never said we weren't in Laos and Cambodia - I am just saying Kerry wasn't when he said he was. (If at all - Swift boats don't go alone and no other boat is willing to say they were with him there - even the guys who were on the boat with him).

I also never said war crimes didn't happen - I have a problem with Kerry's handeling of the situation. You seem to avoid my last paragraph



You say Bush is the worse president since Hoover - can you point to something that if he had gone the other way we (me you and the guy on the corner) would be better off? Specificaly as it comes to the economy?

Now I want you to point out to me what Kerry will do (in writting that isn't contradicted by something else he says) that is gonna turn our situation arround?


Medals are a messed up thing - can and are often are subjective. The rub is when a guy lies or doctors his reports to get them - big difference than some pencil pusher deciding what you did doesn't quite add up to a silver star so you get the bronze.




Thats the point - according to his reports for the medals he got he would have bled and according to a corpsman who was in VN shrapnel to the buttocks (enough to get the PH) would have required time in sick bay usually 3 days - Kerry's records shows no such visit or time in sick bay. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

I have a problem with the way he impuned the veterans like you with his lies infront of the senate and then show so much idignation when people complain . At the least he could have flipped on what he said infront of the Senate - this seems to be the one situation he wont flip on - and unfortunately its the one issue where he is so obviously wrong.

Inspector, you said:

"I personally saw ARVN troops rape Three NVA nurses and then kill them. We weren't allowed to say anything because these guys were our allies."

If that's true, you're an accessory to rape and murder. If you lacked the rank, balls or firepower to stop it, you could at least complain to some one who could.

The ARVN had a UCMJ and a JAG corps. So did MACV. You sound like Kerry.

Never before has an incumbent had the likes of George Iwannadestroythiscountry Soros and Michael Iwannahelp Moore's lie, cheat, smear campaign to deal with, either. The rest of the Dems talking heads are chiming right in telling us all that they don't care if they burn in hell, they will do anything to beat Bush. At least that what comes across to me loud and clear when they take the outlandish positions they take with a straight face. I'm waiting for one to break down and say, My God, I just can't do this anymore!!! But none have the morality left inside them to prompt such honesty. If they had anyone, even a Jimmy Carter to run I might have time for them. But they have sold their souls cheap with the crap they try to pass off as honest debate in their backing of Kerry. It's repulsive.

Bush does talk about this record, and for what he's had to work with the curves he's been thrown (recession, extreme hostility from the left, major corporate failures, and of course 911 and the implications there that not many even begin to understand) he's done great! But if the Republicans don't illustrate the senatorial travesty this fool called Kerry has perpetrated against this country, who will? Not move on (to socialism).org you can bet! From what I know about Kerry, I would promise to vote for you, if you were my only other choice and I don't even know you. Why do we suddenly want to pick the worst nightmare it seems we could find? If he's the best the Dems have to offer, God help us all. Half our country has gone mad!

I don't want any ads stopped. I wish someone would remember we have a Bill of Rights that guarantees free speech. Not just for Swift Boat vets, although they've earned theirs and I've just gotten mine as a free (CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE THOUSANDS WHO HAVE DIED TO SECURE IT FOR ME!) blessing I cherish for being born in this great country. We all have that right and if honestly engaged, it is one that cannot, should not, must not ever be allowed to be abridged. It is more critical than our right to bear arms and isn't it interesting that is is number two!

If you don't want to hear it, turn it off. It seems that much of
America has done so, or at least turned off their critical thinking. I don't watch other media besides Fox. I'm not a right wing extremist but the other shows are so blatantly left wing that I can't stomach them. On Fox I have seen so many instances of Kerry saying one thing to one group and then reversing that someplace else. And we are not talking over 20 years. More like 20 hours. How could anyone consider this man for any office? This is a weird phenomenon that will be burnt into history once people can develop a perspective and get a hint of objectivity. If we last that long to have any history, with the way we seem to be unable to objectively evaluate our internal and world situation.