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Actually, for police work I found the 1911 superior to the Glock. There are times when you have your gun out, but can't justify shooting, and a smack on the head with a 1911 will drop a suspect like a rock.
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I have a friend,former HS teacher that survived Chosin because of 1911's. threw his M1 carbine away and double gunned them while the MG crew reloaded.
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What's wrong with the World's Finest Combat Handgun? You do mean the 1911 don't you? MM
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What's wrong with the World's Finest Combat Handgun? You do mean the 1911 don't you? MM What else?
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Still waiting for E's credentials that make him qualified to make judgments about defensive weapons. You asked me E, now I'm asking you, how many gun fights have you been in with the Glock? Additionally, if you're a veteran, thank you for your service; I most sincerely appreciate it.
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Oh bother. Now it's descended into a credentials war. (rolleyes)
You know what I really hate about yer "World's Finest Combat Handgun"? It's the hyperbole that is associated with it by guys like you. It's just another handgun that works as good as can be expected, and it fits some peoples' needs but not others. It wasn't designed by God and neither was the 1911. Lots of guys are absolutely loyal to the 1911 but I don't see them insisting that anyone who isn't is twisted (much). But there's one of you Glock guys chanting that line every month, it seems - and then when anyone begs to differ, you insist on comparing cred. It gets old.
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Well, it sounds as if you've seen this before, and this is my first foray into the handgun forum, so you've got me at an advantage.
That said, there is one thing that puzzles me. If you see this type of thread once a month from some Glock user, and they're all the same, why waste your time reading this one and posting on it?
Hmmmmmm...?
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It is evident that you assume factors that actually bear no relation to reality. Your thirty foot rule is absurd, and your opinion of how recoil is registered on my hand is immaterial. I stand behind my original statement regarding the lack of suitable modifications to improve the ergonomics of the Glock, and my critique of the grip angle. If you choose to be fanatically dedicated to Glocks, so be it. I have already tried a bevy of them. They are good pistols, with mediocre accuracy. If thats all you need then thats all you need. They are neither the best, nor the worst. I recommend you save your breath, and your typing fingers. Nothing you post will overrule my experience, and my resultant opinion.
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Well, it sounds as if you've seen this before, and this is my first foray into the handgun forum, so you've got me at an advantage.
That said, there is one thing that puzzles me. If you see this type of thread once a month from some Glock user, and they're all the same, why waste your time reading this one and posting on it?
Hmmmmmm...? I think I can answer that for FreeMe I've not participated in this debate before he probably tuned in to see if I had anything intelligent or relative to add sorry to disappoint once again FreeMe
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bottom line is what's best for me, may not be best for you.
you may like blondes, I'm partial to brunettes
you may feel you are best armed with a Glock
I may feel best armed with a 1911
somebody else may feel best armed with a wheelgun
nobody is wrong in that scenario, it's the weapon that gives them the most confidence to ensure a positive outcome.
no more, no less
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It is evident that you assume factors that actually bear no relation to reality. Your thirty foot rule is absurd Talk to your local prosecutor's office regarding a rule of thumb for when you can really consider yourself in imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death. Get back to me. Oh, since I asked others, are you LE or military? I would stress that neither is a prerequisite for firearms proficiency. But, when you're exposed to mortal danger on a fairly regular basis, some of the pie-in-the-sky notions about guns fights and armed encounters fly out the window. I stand behind my original statement regarding the lack of suitable modifications to improve the ergonomics of the Glock, and my critique of the grip angle. If you choose to be fanatically dedicated to Glocks, so be it. I have already tried a bevy of them. They are good pistols, with mediocre accuracy. If thats all you need then thats all you need. They are neither the best, nor the worst. I recommend you save your breath, and your typing fingers. Nothing you post will overrule my experience, and my resultant opinion. So? Why the concentration on accuracy from a defensive firearm that is likely to be employed within 6 to 10 feet of your assailant? Accuracy is definitely not the first priority I consider in a hand gun. Reliability is first, second and third. Then, of course ergonomics and the ability to follow up your initial shot(s). Then, as long as it will shoot a 2 or 3 inch group at 15 yards, it's adequate.
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bottom line is what's best for me, may not be best for you.
you may like blondes, I'm partial to brunettes
you may feel you are best armed with a Glock
I may feel best armed with a 1911
somebody else may feel best armed with a wheelgun
nobody is wrong in that scenario, it's the weapon that gives them the most confidence to ensure a positive outcome.
no more, no less I actually feel better armed with a reliable 1911. If the "Kimber Revolution" has addressed past problems, then I need to reassess my hand gun priorities.
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Oh bother. Now it's descended into a credentials war. (rolleyes)
You know what I really hate about yer "World's Finest Combat Handgun"? It's the hyperbole that is associated with it by guys like you. It's just another handgun that works as good as can be expected, and it fits some peoples' needs but not others. It wasn't designed by God and neither was the 1911. Lots of guys are absolutely loyal to the 1911 but I don't see them insisting that anyone who isn't is twisted (much). But there's one of you Glock guys chanting that line every month, it seems - and then when anyone begs to differ, you insist on comparing cred. It gets old. Since you're painting with an awful broad brush, please point out anything I've posted, save the title, that was hyperbole.
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again like women, each firearm is a story unto itself
one of the ones I'd pack for the CHTF scenario is a Kimber, external extractor and all
it's proven itself along with the colt 70 series that would be it's companion, don't know what to do with the Para 13, as it's good to go too
isn't it TRH that has a Ed Brown or some other custom that's a turd? (forgive me if I'm wrong TRH, I'm into the whikky)
anyhoo one man's misery is another's treasure.
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Reliability is first, second and third. Then, of course ergonomics and the ability to follow up your initial shot(s). Then, as long as it will shoot a 2 or 3 inch group at 15 yards, it's adequate. So, by your own definition the Sig is every bit as good as the Glock? Besides the run of "specials" that was put together for NHSP I've never run into one that malfed. We've tried to get ours to sputter and can't. Yeah, you might want to rethink the 1911 as well. Have several and no issues there either. George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Well, it sounds as if you've seen this before, and this is my first foray into the handgun forum, so you've got me at an advantage.
That said, there is one thing that puzzles me. If you see this type of thread once a month from some Glock user, and they're all the same, why waste your time reading this one and posting on it?
Hmmmmmm...? Why do you care? And where have you been doing all your trolling before now? First foray into the handgun forum, huh....Nice entry. I bet your a hoot at parties.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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Oh bother. Now it's descended into a credentials war. (rolleyes)
You know what I really hate about yer "World's Finest Combat Handgun"? It's the hyperbole that is associated with it by guys like you. It's just another handgun that works as good as can be expected, and it fits some peoples' needs but not others. It wasn't designed by God and neither was the 1911. Lots of guys are absolutely loyal to the 1911 but I don't see them insisting that anyone who isn't is twisted (much). But there's one of you Glock guys chanting that line every month, it seems - and then when anyone begs to differ, you insist on comparing cred. It gets old. Since you're painting with an awful broad brush, please point out anything I've posted, save the title, that was hyperbole. Ok, Idunno....how 'bout: What interests me is his twisted reasoning...or that of anyone else who doesn't like Glocks. ...and then: The polymer frame (which many pistols have now) soak up a tremendous amount of recoil. ...and here: It'll feed empty brass...it's an amazing pistol. BTW, you don't need a Glock to do that. ...oops! There it is again: That polymer frame soaks up a tremendous amount of recoil. This one is interesting because it first ignores the cost of what might require a major frame mod, and then...well: You can make it fit you and there is no better hand gun. This one is cute, because the hyperbole sets on something other than Glock, and then tacitly admits that the Glock ain't perfect after all: Yep, that Tyvek Fulcrum Trigger groups is a marvel in engineering. It should be...it cost enough...but it makes the Glock feel like a completely different firearm. Oh - while we're at it...let's touch on how the Glock is best because you can spend tons of money on your WFCH: My $535.00 pistols are now $900.00 and $1300.00 (long slide and barrel) pistols, and I could easily invest more in customizing the grips. There's just so many after-market options available it's hard to choose without just buying them all. So...hyperbole words and phrases: "twisted reasoning" "tremendous" "amazing" "tremendous" (again) "no better handgun" "marvel in engineering" ...and that's all before I entered this thread. I don't need to justify to you why I read or post anything, and you could say the same to me. But it shure looks like you're looking for an argument - and when you got one, you seem to have taken it personally. Very trollish.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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It came to my attention that E doesn't like Glocks. Given his predilection for the mediocre (Leupold scopes), that he doesn't like Glocks doesn't surprise me in the least.
What interests me is his twisted reasoning...or that of anyone else who doesn't like Glocks. In the future, the best way to ask a question is to ASK THE QUESTION, rather than wasting the two preceding sentences sucker-punching Emericus. Whether or not you agree with his view of Leupy scopes has zilch to do with Glocks.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. --Winston Churchill
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So what does Emericus prefer in scopes?
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it shure looks like you're looking for an argument - and when you got one, you seem to have taken it personally.
Very trollish.
Magnumdouche's college kid's must be on fall break, so he doesn't have anyone to boss around. So, he's picked a fight with E so he can feel manly again.
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