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Most any cartridge will kill deer with shot placement, inc. a 75 amax spun fast. I killed a few with 70 gr TNT, one spun from an 8" 6BR, the other spun from a 10" 243, they both killed well, the latter, DRT, thanks to a neck shot, the BR kill was 200 paces, walking, so it got one thru the lungs, down in 60 yds. Not my choice mind you for everyday deer hunting, but it's what I had, and it worked well as I used it with it's limitations in my conscious before I squeezed, and picked my shot accordingly.
Something in my memory tells me PO Ackley talked of how fast and deadly the 220 Swift was I think on deer. Maybe my memory is fading but I don't recall anything about twist, likely 14" and cup/core 55s. The Gent who bough my 221 regularly uses his 22-250 for deer, 55 Sierras, gets several deer every year out to around 400 yds, lung shots, rarely go over 30 yds......
again, Shot Placement.
Fast twist/Slow, drift/drop, they all require the user to know how to hold accordingly, and execute properly, nothing more complicated than that.
280, be sure to post your 'new arrival' for us. Thanks.
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Increased RPM has no ill affects on the bullets you cite,yet will enhance terminal affects on scene,as an absolute minimum. I doubt it, the enhance terminal affects part. If anything, a slower twist will enhance terminal affect with lighter bullets. The m16 shooting a 55 1/14 was much more devastating on human flesh than todays paper punching 1/9 69's and 77's.
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So run the 55 grainer through a 1-7 and see how it works.It'll upset on human flesh even more with the faster rotation.
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SU35,
You're mixing the idea of a barely stabilized fmj tumbling upon impact with the expansion of a varmint bullet made more violent because rotational stresses have it on the edge of coming apart even before impact.
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You flatter yourself with thinking I'd slum your company................. Or are you just a bigmouthed punk bitch??? Only one way to find out..................
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For conversation and to mire you with more facts,the minimum twist rate to stabilize a .243" 70TNT,is multiple rungs south of the ladder,of that which is requisite to stabilize the .224" 75A-Max...if only obviously.
P.O. didn't have today's propellants,nor bullets to banty,which of course much skews the playing field.
I don't have to talk about my neighbor,or someone's sister's uncle's rifle,because I can extrapolate that which is in my mitts. There is ZERO way possible,that a 14" Swift can hang with one in 8". Just as a 16" '06 can't hang with a 10".
Very funny to me,that the masses shoot so little collectively,that they are unable to reliably discern such glaringly obvious facts.
Please continue the humor.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Rotational velocity,very much interacts with frangibility,which in turn increases terminal affects. That most easily discerned upon things that aren't wired together all that well,as glaring observation.
Even when talking something as robust as an X,I've long been convinced that extry RPM adds a little sumptin' to the equation,as per wound channel.
Which is why I've long said that 10" is my favoritest 30cal rate................................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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'Bighorn,
Whatcha do for a living there tough guy.
Laffin'.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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280,
Spare your whining,it gets old.
Tell me all about the "merits" of a 1-14" 280AI,to cement your stance.
Laffin'................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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'Bighorn,
Whatcha do for a living there tough guy.
Laffin'................. Way to avoid the "crux" there douchebag. Are you gonna shoot against Jeff O or are you just a big mouthed punk bitch? (Oh and by the way, when I'm not rolling sushi I can be found making Kim Chee.)
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Oh gee...lemme get giddy about dropping a couple grand to give a lesson to possibly the dumbest of [bleep],who has ever tapped a keyboard,so I can say "Toldjaso"?!!?
I'm fabulous with a rifle on a bad day and really can't help it...nor is that a "secret".
Is this where you go all silent,because you know less than nothing about twist rates,throat geometry and bullet selection(in no particular order) or you gonna keep the Burger King you work at under wraps,for like reasons.
Do tell..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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This is where I laugh at you for being a big mouthed punk bitch.
I thought you would jump at the chance to "rub some noses" in person. Guess not...
I know enough about twist rates to know that BMD's 220 will whack the [bleep] out of the varmints it was made for.
I also have enough class to not let a dickhead like you run amuck.
I already told you that I am a part time Sushi Chef and part time Kim Chee maker. Do you like Asian cuisine Larry?
Get your logging pics ready Larry, the alaskan dumpling gang is counting on you!
Last edited by KCBighorn; 10/26/09.
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A 1-14" 220Swift is a concession,whether on purpose or on accident as poor BMD is just now realizing. Nothing more,nothing less.
Thanks for taking the time to set straight the fact that you've neither a 14" Swift or something wearing more RPM's,to extrapolate in kind. Not that it wasn't obvious from inception.
Prolly a good call to banty chopsticks...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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....Alot more effective than coughing out big heavy for caliber turds that have more arc to the target.... That doesn't pass scrutiny. Compare a 50gr VMax at 4000 fps, to a 75gr AMax at 3400 fps. At 600 yards, the 50gr VMax has a max ord of 19.8" at 341 yards. At 600 yards, the 75gr AMax has a max ord of 19.4" at 326 yards. To 600 yards or so the trajectories are rather similar, but the 75 is already way ahead in defeating wind, and retaining energy. Past 600 yards, the 75 smokes the 50 like a cheap cigar.
Bullet : .224, 75, Hornady A-MAX 22792
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Range Velo Time of Energy Path Deflection Total Sight correction Target
city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
LOS of 10.0 Mph zero range 33 fps
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�Yards fps s ft.lbs. in. in. MOA in. Clicks MOA yds �
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| 0 3400 0.0000 1925 -2.0 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
| 100 3191 0.0911 1695 +8.7 0.5 0.49 1.6 -24.0 -8.27 1.00
| 200 2992 0.1883 1491 +15.9 2.1 0.99 6.6 -22.0 -7.58 2.06
| 300 2802 0.2917 1307 +19.2 4.8 1.51 15.4 -17.8 -6.11 3.19
M 326 2754 0.3199 1263 +19.4 5.7 1.66 18.4 -16.5 -5.67 3.50
| 400 2620 0.4030 1143 +18.0 8.8 2.10 28.8 -12.5 -4.31 4.41
| 500 2445 0.5212 996 +11.9 14.1 2.69 47.1 -6.6 -2.27 5.70
X 600 2278 0.6480 864 0.0 20.9 3.32 71.2 0.0 0.00 7.09
P 618 2248 0.6719 842 -2.9 22.3 3.44 76.3 +1.3 +0.44 7.35
| 700 2116 0.7852 746 -18.9 29.5 4.02 102.3 +7.5 +2.57 8.59
| 800 1962 0.9317 641 -45.2 39.7 4.74 140.8 +15.7 +5.39 10.19
| 900 1813 1.0898 548 -80.5 52.0 5.52 188.3 +24.8 +8.54 11.92
| 1000 1675 1.2640 467 -127.7 67.2 6.41 247.7 +35.4 +12.19 13.82
Bullet : .224, 50, Hornady V-MAX BT 22261
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city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
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| 0 4000 0.0000 1776 -2.0 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
| 100 3575 0.0794 1419 +8.1 0.8 0.74 1.2 -22.5 -7.75 0.87
| 200 3190 0.1682 1130 +15.5 3.2 1.53 5.1 -21.5 -7.39 1.84
| 300 2838 0.2678 894 +19.4 7.5 2.40 12.4 -18.0 -6.18 2.93
M 341 2702 0.3124 811 +19.8 10.0 2.79 16.6 -16.1 -5.55 3.42
| 400 2514 0.3805 701 +19.0 14.2 3.38 24.1 -13.2 -4.53 4.16
| 500 2211 0.5075 543 +13.1 23.3 4.45 41.3 -7.2 -2.49 5.55
X 600 1930 0.6521 414 0.0 35.6 5.66 65.6 0.0 0.00 7.13
P 616 1887 0.6770 395 -2.9 37.8 5.87 70.2 +1.3 +0.44 7.40
| 700 1673 0.8201 311 -23.1 51.9 7.09 99.9 +9.1 +3.15 8.97
| 800 1444 1.0127 232 -58.8 72.6 8.67 146.9 +20.4 +7.02 11.07
| 900 1252 1.2364 174 -112.8 98.8 10.48 212.2 +34.8 +11.97 13.52
| 1000 1107 1.4919 136 -190.6 130.6 12.47 301.2 +52.9 +18.20 16.32
Very interesting. If I ever did a 220 Swift(or a 22-250 for that matter) I would look to a heavier pill and a faster twist, myself. No insult intended to BMD, and nice rifle, btw!!
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PWC,
I think you got a splinter in you when you took a break on the job, better see a Proctologist, maybe it will change your attitude.
You surely are one miserable human being, sorry about your problem(s).
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I wish I could PM you some IQ and experience,but alas you are left to your own paltry devices. Just keep posting about same,as the humor is largely unrivaled.
As per always,feel free to take notes...as I'm always more than happy to help..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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For you, and you should consider this a great honor, I "endorse" this: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ![[Linked Image]](http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee195/afp416/Misc/Cup.jpg)
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PWC, mine has served me well in life, I have plenty more than you would imagine or concede, but no matter, time to ignore you now as I have more important matters.
Good luck to your figuring life out.
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