Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Savage Collectors Why doesn't Savage build a new Model 99?

I know this has probably come up before. But why hasn't Savage come back out with the M99 again? Me personally, I would buy another one in a heartbeat as long as the quality was in par with the '53 one I own now. I would like to have one in 270Win.

Woolly

Cost prohibitive.

would it cost more than a weatherby, tikka ,or sako, and a bunch of other hi class rifles,Hubert, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yeah... what Jed and Hubert said.........



But I wonder if a good many of us wouldn't gladly pay for a high-quality newly-manufactured Model 99 with the brass rotary magazine, cartridge counter, tang safety (preferable to the lever-safety as far as I'm concerned) and all the "old" goodies? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />



I'd be willing to pay the price IF I didn't already have my 1953 era "EG"!!!





Ron T.

makes me think what a good deal new condition EG's are at 3-500.$'s

I believe it would be costly to produce such a rifle it todays market.

Also, how popular would it be? I am not sure of the wants and needs of the North American rifle enthusiast or hunter....

Are people today buying the big magnums and high velocity/energy cartridges or are people buying new 308's and such?

An expensive 308/243/358 in a lever action may not sell well to the general public.

Any one have stats on what the general public is buying these days as far as new rifles are concerned?

In any event, I would not buy a late model 99E or 99C style rifle new anyways. I like the quality of a well used pre-mil 99 hands down.

Chris

I don't know what it would cost to build a 99 today, but Browning makes a nice lever action (with which Savage would have to compete), and Browning carries more "name value" than Savage. Also, you can buy a Winchester 95 repro for $1100 or so, and Winchester carries more "name value" than Savage too.

To sell enough rifles to make it worth doing, Savage would have to effectively compete with Browning and Winchester box magazine lever rifles, like by making quality equal to the Japanese rifles at lower cost.

Savage is able to make an excellent bolt rifle and sell it competitively. Nonetheless, if I had a nice M99, I'd try to hang on to it. There won't be any more.

I may stand corrected, but I don't think so. In order to compete with the JAPANESE Browning Savage would have to manufacture in CHINA. Oh man, where HAVE we gone ???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

longbeardking

I think in the early 80s Savage had some 99s made in Spain with investment castings. Of course, it didn't work out. Thanks..

You are 100% correct. As I recall, the 100th anniversary mod 99 was made in Spain as well. The 75th was bad enough, but couple the 99 with Spain and that was disaster as far as I'm concerned. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I wanted a 100th commerative. Savage wanted $1600.
I got kids to raise! Now you tell me Spain no less....
Glad I passed!
Does this bring us back to cost prohibitive?

I got to tour the factory whilst they were assembling the 100's...hand filing.Might not be a bad investment rifle,if you could find one priced right.I remember hearing that they would not complete 1,000 rifles.

CHINA?!? SPAIN?!?!?!? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />



Jezzzzzzz... now I'm REALLY glad I've already got my 1953, like-new Model 99 "EG". (WHEW!!!)





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Ron T.

I don't understand why all these companies think they have to make everything overseas. Especially ones like Winchester. Winchester did not make their money from overseas they have made and continue to make it from us. Competing with Browning and Winchester shouldn't be a big problem. Savage has the best reputation for out of the box accuracy than all of them do. I own a 270Win in a 110 model. That gun will shoot just about any ammo through it I can get my hands on and keep it within an 1" at 100yds as long as I do my part. Some of these manufacturers think that its okay to have to take one of their new rifles to a gunsmith to get it tweaked so it will shoot decent groups. As far as I'm concerned the Japanese, Chinese, Spanish or any other country doesn't hold a candle to us.
Sorry for getting off on a tangent.

Woolly

Like Norinco?

The problem with modern manufacturing is directly linked to our over indulgence in technology. We have replaced craftsmanship with production quotas.I am employed as a CNC Mill Machinist at a moderately sized machine shop in northern California. We produce laser, semiconductor, and Defense department components. Within the last couple of years we have been losing some of our customers to over seas shops for the simple reason of under bidding. The Chinese are buying up as many machine tools as they can get their hands on and sending employees here to be trained. When they return to China they are placed in charge of a shop full of un-educated button pushers who are often unaware of what exacly they are trying to make. But it is not the fault of the Chinese. It is the fault of our modern corporate mentality, and it is the fault of a public population that no longer recognizes the virtues of quality American craftsmanship.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Wolly, You aren't off on a tangeant. Sad part is this, what you stated is reality. I am a tool and die maker by trade and will be 60 shortly. I have watched most of the work I do go to China and Penang and so forth. It hurts. I used to dread getting old, but now I am happier than I ever thought I could be. I would never want to go back to being young again and having to raise another family. Partly it's our own fault. We all have demanded higher wages. We keep electing more politicians to increase the size of our government which in turn, increases our taxes. We pay, for the most part, whatever price it takes to get what we want. Instead of buying American, we buy foreign made products from TV's to tractor trailers. It won't stop until we stop it. I have a beautiful Parker GHE SxS and when I hold it and I can hear the machinist/gunmaker that made it talk to me. I hear that little voice !!! Hold me, shoot me, admire me. What does a Norinco say ??? Noin ye chow ding che chow mein ?? I drive a Chevy and my wife a Ford. I say I drive American, but look under the hood. Over half of what's in there is foreign. NOT GOOD. Keep your chin up and search out those older American guns and respect them for what they are. There will never be more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Vey well said !!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yes, and very sad at the same time...thank you.

Well said, ALL of you!!!

There�s a Ford 4-door sedan, a Ford Windstar and a Lincoln Town Car sitting in my driveway. As a retired small business owner, I have never, nor will I EVER buy a car with a foreign name on it. But I�m afraid �we� are in the minority anymore.

I, too, hated to see the brand of TV I have always bought (Zenith) become a foreign-made product.

I shuddered when the damned politicians gave our A$$E$ away with the NAFTA agreement� and look what it�s done to our jobs! Yeah, that�s right� they�ve mostly all �gone south�� to Mexico. And what didn�t go to Mexico went west to India� and China� and Malaysia.

What I wonder is who do the manufacturing moguls think will have the money to buy the new products being produced in all those foreign countries and shipped back into the USA for sale?

Our workers are struggling� often with TWO jobs making $8 or $9 an hour at EACH job� and getting NO benefits, no hospitalization and no retirement while they try to raise, house, feed, clothe and educate a couple of kids.

Well� I �bought American�� but now, as Longbeardking said, �I say I drive American, but look under the hood. Over half of what's in there is foreign. NOT GOOD.�� and, sadly� truth IS truth! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


Strength & Honor�

Ron T.