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Which bullet would u guys use for maximum terminal ballistics at the longest AR 223 range possible for coyotes?
I've had very good results with the 69 Nosler and OK results with the 65 JLK Low Drag, but don't know much about the others. Have a 9-twist so the 75 A-Max doesn't give me great accuracy.
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The 77 SMK was plenty accurate in my 9 twisted barrel in warmer weather but I have been told it shouldn't stabilize in colder temps. I haven't checked it yet.
I'm still a fan of the 50 gr NBT for coyotes at any range I need to try.
The A-max doesn't fit in the mag with the case mouth touching the ogive or it would be the one.
I have some 60 gr V-max's to play with if I want to try long range with a 223 but I have better rigs for long range and lost interest.
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Personally I have used 52 grain SMKs more than anything. Seconded by 60 grain Vmax. Both have gotten the job done rather well.
The dogs that I have smacked with MK262 (77smk) have all expired quickly as well.
I really like the performance of the 60 grain Vmax but I just hate loading flat based bullets.
The 52 grain SMK has long been my standard and will continue to be.
None are really bad choices.
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I've taken a few dogs with the 69gr SMK's. Very accurate and kill about as well as any other bullet I've tried.
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MS brought up another point, I hate loading flat based bullets as well so I tried Noslers 60 gr BT and my guns or my loads I tried just didn't go very well. Couldn't get but about 1" groups in 2 very accurate guns.
One thing on the 77SMK's I shot one coyote in the chest coming at me, it left a small hole and no exit of course. His partner stopped at the shot and turned broadside, I intentionaly aimed at the shoulder. It went through the shoulder and took the opposite shoulder off, his leg was dangling. This was at usual called distances of less than 50 yards, the first at 20 yards.
These were shot with my 1/7 twist gun.
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I have a bunch of 75bthp loaded up for practice, thats what I grab and put the bullet in the right place all is good.
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The 60 Vmax was made for coyote killing... This past weekend in fact. All Vmax'd and total traveled distance was straight down... ![[Linked Image]](http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/GmoneyTLU/DSCN1891-1.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/GmoneyTLU/DSCN1908.jpg)
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I suspect some day I should load up some 60s... I"ve shot a ton of the sierra 60 flat base HP in competition and while they SUCK in wind, they are accurate and I bet they'd open well, the Vmax probably has a bit higher BC and maybe one day I'll buy 500 and load em for my long tubed flat top!
I gotta go with you one day calling sooner or later.
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Jeff,
I'd be happy to have you join me...
My country is limited in East TX but call your friends up around La Grange after deer season and I'll put some in front of you...
The Sierra HP you reference, at least in 6mm, is a pretty dang "tough" bullet when it is slowed down to a MV under 3K in my experiences...
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I have used the plastic tipped bullets over the years many, many times for coyotes. I'm just trying to maximize range with the highest BC bullet that'll still give good terminal ballistics at between 400-500 yds. out of the AR. The 68's and up beat the V-Max, Blitzkings, and BT's for wind bucking ability with their higher BC's, but I'm trying to figure out which 1 has the best terminal effect to those ranges. Point blank to 300 yds. is not an issue for me, 300-500 is.
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75 amax ain't nothing to shake your head at....
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I'll see what I can do here. Most property is small parcels though. But I may have access to one larger ranch.
I'll get with you later if I can remember that far...
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I'm actually using the 65 SGK right now and i had a problem with the optic holding zero. It's set up now so i think i'll be OK once i verify my 500 yd. calcs. The 425 was dead on the nose for ballistic program calcs. and i think 500 will be also. Will find out on steel next week. I'm gonna shoot this bullet and the 75 A-Max for now, hoping the 75 will shoot once again. We'll see.
Thks for the input.
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Did I mention that I've shot the 75 amax quite a bit at mag length. Someone said a long time ago you couldn't do that... and the round is fugly loaded, but it was used for 300 yard rapid fire groups to be wind resistant for me and I've shot some of the smallest 10 shot knots I've ever shot with that load.
I did start from scratch to work it up though as you are burning up more case space that way.
As I recall that load was good for 10 shot groups with an AR15 of between 1.25 and 1.50 inches basically.
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I don't do coyotes, I'm not really much of a hunter, I'm a serial paper puncher.
However, for this deer season, I loaded up some 75gr Swift Scirocco II bullets for one of my ARs. The bullet is VERY long, at least as long as the 75 A-Max but the ogive is different and I am able to load the bullet to mag-length (using a hammer). I am using a reduced load from my 80gr SMKs for 300 yards. The bullet weighs less but it's further in the case.
Warning, these bullets are expensive, almost double what I pay for premium match bullets. I just don't buy or shoot a lot of them.
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Which bullet would u guys use for maximum terminal ballistics at the longest AR 223 range possible for coyotes?
I've had very good results with the 69 Nosler and OK results with the 65 JLK Low Drag, but don't know much about the others. Have a 9-twist so the 75 A-Max doesn't give me great accuracy. Don't know what you are are shooting your 75s from but in a Stag M4 #3 full flat top, 1/9 twist, using Hornady 75 grain TAP ammo, that uses the standard 75 grain BTHP, the gun shot a 1.2" group at 300 and a 5" group at 600 yards. This same ammo from a Remington LTR bolt gun with a 1/9 twist runs .69" at 300 and 2.0" at 600... Have recently started shooting a DPMS Sweet 16 heavy barrel with 1/9 twist...groups at 100 yards have been running .4 and 2.5" at 600...that is with 75 grain PRVI match ammo. I have not shot coyote with either load but have using the Sierra 63 grain SMP and it worked better than the lighter bullets in .223. Bob
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Interesing info. I wasn't sure about PRVI but 2.5 inches in real life from factoyr ammo and any factory gun ain't nothing at all to sneeze at. I have custom guns and reloads that sometimes have a tough time getting under 3 inches at 600 for five shot group averagas.
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Don't know what you are are shooting your 75s from but in a Stag M4 #3 full flat top, 1/9 twist, using Hornady 75 grain TAP ammo, that uses the standard 75 grain BTHP, the gun shot a 1.2" group at 300 and a 5" group at 600 yards. This same ammo from a Remington LTR bolt gun with a 1/9 twist runs .69" at 300 and 2.0" at 600...
Have recently started shooting a DPMS Sweet 16 heavy barrel with 1/9 twist...groups at 100 yards have been running .4 and 2.5" at 600...that is with 75 grain PRVI match ammo.
I have not shot coyote with either load but have using the Sierra 63 grain SMP and it worked better than the lighter bullets in .223.
Bob That is great shooting. If I were you, I would take that rifle and load to the nearest F-class match and get my High Master classification right away. 2.5 inch groups at 600 yards, that's in record territory. You probably do that offhand right?
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That is great shooting. If I were you, I would take that rifle and load to the nearest F-class match and get my High Master classification right away. 2.5 inch groups at 600 yards, that's in record territory. You probably do that offhand right? 
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Monday in the NV desert I'll be trying Sierra 65gr GK in front of 27.2 grs of Varget out of my 20" RRAs coyote. Last coyote I shot with a 55 gr V-Max that bullet nearly removed the coyotes head.
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