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Found this little beauty at Cabela's in Hamburg, PA yesterday. Almost pristine condition, including original magazine.
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I thought the 23AA's had checkering. Sure looks nice.
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I had my grandfather's 23AA for many years (brother has it now); no checkering.
Will Stevens 416 clips fit a 23AA?
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The butt plate and the butt stock both have only four digits and they are the first four digits of the six digit serial number on the receiver.........
I believe it came with checkering on the deluxe model.
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I have a 23A & I thought the 23AA IS the deluxe model. Guess I'd better do some reading. Sorry
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I am far from being a Savage expert, or on any rifle for that matter, so don't go by me!!!
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I collected 1919s, 1921s, 23A, 23AA and 19s for years. You have a 23 A not AA. The AA had a speedlock, was checkered and a win/rem style magazine.
The 23 A, if the bore is mint, is a great shooter. The only thing to be VERY careful of is taking it afield with a loaded magazine in the rifle. They are easy to knock loose and lose and are virtually irreplacable.
Std velocity ammo only. Don't drill any holes in it!
I could tell you about my one off factory experimental 44-40 23. A real tack driver. Sold the whole collection when I left NY, really nice rifles with many variations.
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Strange, the receiver is very clearly marked "Model 23AA". BTW: The magazine is marked Savage and underneath that it says Mod 23AA and Mod 1933NRA. My limited experience with Savage rifles is that nothing is written in stone.
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I had a 23 and a 23AA(so marked), neither had checkering on the stocks.
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Nothing is ever simple when collecting Savage. 1)the 23A changed to the 23AA in 1933 at around 127,000. 2)in 1933 the magazine was changed to the new style. 3)in 1934 the speed bolt was added. 4)the 23AA was not checkered as a standard, though a few years after introduction checkering was offered as an option. 5)around 1936 an extra rear sight hole was added for use of the new #15. 6)around 1936 they were D&T'ed for the Weaver "S" (later "T") side mount. (Edit: this is two holes, only. If it has four holes it is for the Weaver "N" and added after WWII). 7)I don't think any were D&T'ed as a standard for a receiver sight (Lyman 42 or 56). ...and I'm still learning. Njretcop, what is the serial range of your rifle? If a low number (close to 127,000) it is probably correct. If a later number the bolt might have been replaced.
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Yes, the 416 magazine is the same.
I think that any of the Savage box magazines that look like the one used in the 23AA will work. The style was used for a long time.
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The rifle pictured is a 23A. The AA had no snabel (spelled wrong) foreend, no button on the bottom of the magazine and no big "springfield 03" type striker knob. Here is some good pics of a 23AA to illustrate the differences: http://www.gunsamerica.com/95209474...Model_23AA_22_cal_bolt_action_Rifle.htm#(sadly butchered with weaver mounts) On the 1919, 1922 and 23A, B & C the serial # may be found stamped on the rear of the receiver where the bolt is inserted (around the hole where the bolt is inserted) or on the receiver side. The model 19 target rifle made in 22 LR share the same components as the 23AA. The 19 Hornet and 23 D (hornet) also share components. There was a 19 L 22 RF target that came with a Lyman 48 sight There was also a 19 M heavy bbl 22 RF target model (very rare) The rarest was the 1922 sporter only made one year. The most variations exist in the 1919 NRA which had at least 4 variants including a 22 short only model. Bought one NIB (wood crate) at the Syracuse gun show 30 years ago for the then huge sum of $400. Can't own em' all and sold off that collection and all the original catalogs from 1919 to the end of 23s/19s, when I got the 03' bug (pre WW I military and R.F. Sedgley sporters). If anyone cares, Brownells makes an undrilled rail for a tip off rings that fits the Savage receiver contour. It can be drilled to allow mounting a scope using the factory holes (the small one in the back is a weird 44 thread as I recall). Except for the 19s and 23AAs no rifles were factory drilled for scopes unless you have a factory letter to support them. Although a "cheap" rifle there were many special order ones done. I had a 23 B 25-20 made for a local official that had a blue job on it that blinded you and a piece of 4X walnut to die for. Great rifles that still hold their own today!
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this a picture of the two sAvage 23's I have. The bottom one is the 23 AA with the newer type mag, both have snabole for end's. Top one is a 23 with old type mage with button on it. Sorry I got them mixed up.Top one is the 23AA. I sold both of them at the Boise gun show last month. [img:center] [/img]
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My rifle looks exactly like the one you posted from Guns America............ The top of my rifle is factory drilled/tapped for a Lyman sight.
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128356...Savage was selling 2000-3000 of the 23A/23AA at that time so I would say your rifle is a 1933 production and totally correct.
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This is from a 1934 parts catalog, the 23AA is not in the 1933 catalog.
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oldman1942.. this is a learning moment. The receiver is stamped with 23AA, and yet you say it isn't. Rick99 and GeneB both agree it's a 23AA.. Time to revise some of what you thought you knew. I have to do it all the time with 99's.
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Can't remember my grandfather's 23AA serial number (have to ask my bro) but it has a schnabel forend, the "new" style flush magazine with no grasping knob, and the speedlock action with no cocking knob, and no checkering. When last seen, my bro had all three of the original mags for it.
Why "standard velocity ammo only" in any of the "Sporter" or 23 series? These guns with essentially the same action handled the hottest .32-20 and .25-20 factory loads that were marked "Not for Revolvers or Winchester 1873 Rifles" just fine. And later, they could handle .22 Hornet OK, if you stuck to factory pressures. My brother's has et Win High Speed hollow points all its long life with no ill effects (except to ground squirrels and jackrabbits....). It came with a Lyman peep sight, but the stock had to be cut a little to fit it, so I don't think it was factory.
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