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here is some hunting pics from my buddy's last sheep hunt in Sept in the north-east corner of British Columbia.

















top sheep is shot with a 25-06, 100 gr. TSX-BT @ 100 yards, and the larger ram was shot with a 375 H&H, quartering towards with a 260 gr. Nosler BT @ 175 yards. He tells me the ram showed great stamina and determination to live.





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I can't believe you posted some of those photos. Undoubtedly the most repulsive, unethical photos I've seen to date!!!!!!! Such a beautiful ram..... deserves much more respect than those photos give. Poor shots happen, but that is where discretion must be used in taking good photos. It is bad enough that the ram had to die with his entrails dragging in the snow. Posting them is shows ZERO regard for him.



280_ACKLEY

Haven't you read Tod's latest book? Unethical Photography by Tod Bartell. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for sharing the photos, The second ram is a nice mature animal. But my feelings run pretty close to 280_Ackleys.

I've got to ask...unless I'm mistaken, that top ram is neither a full curl or 8 years old. I am mistaken on this, right?

I have to agree. Gore doesn't have to be photographed. Those are two nice sheep but it looks as if you intentionally tried to show as much of the blood and guts as possible. Poor shots happen but we don't have to act as if we're proud of 'em. The game animal could have been shown a lot more respect without all the guts in the picture. Sorry I can't be more excited about your trophy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Now where is jim in oregon when we actually do need the ethics police? Fact of the matter if one hunts long enough and kills enough stuff he will see seens like this or worse. I don't know anyone that enjoys it or would intentionally cause this kind of mess, but it does happen. It's very much the dark side of killing though. I don't know if Rick will do it or not, but this is one set of photos I would consider pulling.

read my comments here http://www.huntandlodge.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000901
Not sure if that language is acceptable here

It's called REAL LIFE!!!! This ain't no game farm, magazine or story book. I would much rather see a real adventure then a pampered and cushioned tree stand hunt where nothing gets dirty or bloddy. The photos are as it happened, if you don't like it get back on your Lazy-boy and turn on your TV....... you might get lucky and catch Dr. Phil.

Man, somethimes you just got to wonder!

Gotta go with Spike - although the pictures are pretty poorly done. Personally I like to have things look as appealing as possible in a pic, blood and guts happen though and if this guy likes nasty pics then let him have his nasty pics I guess.

I tend to agree with "portions" of all the various comments here, regarding a hunters portrayal of our "Sport" .

But, even Mother Nature isn't always kind. I recently posted (under "This Calf-Elk" thread), photos of a cougar kill, with the calf's internal organs splayed out just as the beeeg-kitty had left them after the kill. It wasn't necessarily pretty and may have also occurred as the calf was still alive, but it illustrated the point and is the same scene that a hunter regularly experiences, when gutting an animal. I have yet to shoot a big game animal and walk up to the kill site to find him already cut/wrapped and frozen ..... (well, maybe frozen <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />).

While I don't believe that any hunter purposely shoots to disembowl their quarry, .... "do-do" happens. I do believe that I would have simply described the fact that at least one shot on the sheep was a poor-hit (and he dragged a portion of his kitchen through the snow before expiring) .... rather than post photo #2. If you have 12 photos of your trophy, pick the best three or four that a hunting magazine might publish and post them.

However, if ya really can't stand the blood .... put on your PC hat, subscribe to "Bunnies and Butterflies" and buy your meat at Albertsons.

... Silver Bullet

Rust never sleeps ....

Congrats on the sheep.

The crop feature on your scanner or photo software
would have helped.

Hi Tod,



Looks like you hunted hard and got some nice sheep, but I for one would like to ask you to remove the pics or clean them up big time, and ASAP. Don't get me wrong, I'm not grossed out and they are just reality pictures.



But if you think for one minute that they won't eventually be used against the hunting shooting crowd, you're mistaken. I see you have been posting them far and wide on more than one board. Please Todd, use your head. Having this available on the net just provides ammo for the antihunting city crowd to argue hunting is cruel and painful, hoping to shut us down.

I have to agree with .280, .350 and others on this. We have all seen blood, guts and the biological facts of life and the antis will just love these. The fact that this is also "trophy hunting" will just make them more prone to misuse these photos in their vile crusade to stop the most human of activities, hunting.

An example of this was published in the "Vancouver Sun" a few weeks ago, when a number of people actually wrote letters to the Editor expressing their glee at the death of well-known East Kootenay outfitter Bob Fontana, whho was killed by a Cape Buffalo in Africa. The pain that these letters caused his family did not seem to matter to these "humanitarian" progressive types, how typical.

No offense intended, but I think you should remove them, as well. My congratulations to your two friends, nothing like mountain hunting, especially when it is successful.

The caption from Todd indicates the second ram was shot quartering toward the shooter with a 260 grain .375 H&H under 200 yards..
Was the bullet entry decent on the left shoulkder or was it a gut shot or what?
Pretty graphic for a public forum, tho anyone who has ever gutted a large critter has been armpit deep a time or two..



Big Sky..not as 'funny' as your "goat ridin" pics from yesterday tho..:) those pics just hit me wrong..sorry to make the issue at all now..jim

Since I've apparently been labelled as one of the lazy-boy bound Dr. Phil watchers, I'll be the one to say it.



Yes, mother nature isn't always kind, and shots don't always go as planned, but there's a line that has been crossed here in my mind. These photos weren't taken to display the sheep, they were taken to show as much blood and guts as possible. The animal (especially a Stone's sheep!) deserves better. It wouldn't have taken much of an effort to cover the guts and blood trail up with some snow, and make this setup and pic's something a hunter would have been proud to put on the wall. Instead it looks some some 13-year olds were turned loose with a camera.



And for the record, this lazy-boy sitting, Dr. Phil watching stereotype has photos I can post also of me grinning besides a Stone's sheep on an unguided backpack hunt. Can you Spike?



And I'll ask it again since the other problem seems to have been side-stepped. A thinhorn sheep in BC less than full curl (which means that at least one of the horns has to break the line of the bridge of the nose) or less than 8 years old is an illegal sheep. Did the first ram meet either criteria?

Jim, I'm glad you see that my photos were just intended for a smile or two. These on the other hand don't seem to serve much purpose other than to display a graphic nasty blasted animal. I wouldn't have any issue with this except there's a good foot of snow in the photos, and it would of been easy to use it to make the photos more appealing. I guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Blood and guts don't bother me in the field, but they certainly don't make me all giddy thinking "great photo op!"

Rick, he is 8yrs old (unless my eyes are going bad). You get 1/2yr for the lamb tip, and 1/2yr for this seasons growth (under the hair on a heavy caped ram like that) which is simplified by giving 1 yr for the lamb tip and cancelling out this yrs growth. That puts the first ring you see at 2 yrs of age and the last visible annuli as his 8th). You can see on his right horn at the base that there is another 1/2 year under there. A summer caped ram would have been much easier to age, but this one is definately legal by age.



280_ACKLEY

Fair enough, you saw one I didn't. Your eyes are better than mine apparently! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Big Sky, I agree that for a public forum, they should have perhaps been cropped or the animal positioned differently so all the gore was not what captures the eye first thing.

Depending on whether the 260 grain BT .375 made a perfect entry on the right shoulder of a quartering toward sheep or whether the shot was just a gut shot, the pictures do have some 'education value' for hunters in the right setting.

IF the shot was a good one,( FOR A CAPE BUFF AT 40 YARDS) one can see what being 'overgunned' can do to a relatively small thin skinned animal at close range.

If the shot was just a poor one, the shooter could help educate others to spend the requisite time practiceing and select a more appropriate shot placement ( and caliber)perhaps..Entitle it 'How NOT to hit a stone ram at 175 yards.."

For this forum, Todd could come back and edit the pics out, maybe do some photoshop work on them and repost with some explanations perhaps..jim

Give me a break! Kind of contradicting yourself, arn't you? Why is one animal more worthy than another? In your wonder-fluff world shouldn't all animals be treated with equal respect and dignity and be posed for pictures just like in the magazines? Again, I would much rather see this hunters real experience of the hunt rather than worrying about offending someone. I don't think he intentionally tossed guts about for a more "graphic" photo, I think that is just what happened and it is what it is.




Cute! Nuff said.