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If he teaches kids - without a degree - he could be short-changing the kids - only ("could be" - mind you) - and so, he should be prosecuted - for possibly short-changing the kids in his care.
If he goes to a bar (or a class-reunion) and says he's a high-school teacher - to get laid - well - it's despicable.
But it is NOT criminal!
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Like I said - I disagree.
But is not my country - it's not my county's law. If the majority of Americans thinks a man should do time for playing dress-up - that's your call...
His actions are certainly despicable. Criminal? I think not. He did more that just "play dress up" .He posted blogs where he claimed to have combat experience etc. For all we know he used that good will claiming to be a Marine to get jobs, etc- we don't know. If he was brazen enough to wear those medals and uniform at his class reunion, god knows what else he was doing with his "Marine costume". Tell me Brian, what if someone faked their credentials in YOUR chosen profession.. Because it's pretty [bleep] obvious to me YOU never served in the military or law enforcment so, let's bring this down to your level.. Let's say some azzhole fakes his credentials and somehow gets employed as a teacher in a school in Canada. Somehow, no body catches it uintil he's been doing it a year or two ..Teaching kids with no real education or credentials.. Say it was some freal like Lee24 here doing it just based on his gift of BS . I guess that would not be criminal brhavior either? OBVIOUSLY such behavior does NO real harm to society and a great country like yours should do better things with it's law enforcement resources like tracking down every last hunting rifle in the commonwealth. AND - I don't believe your premise - that MY LEVEL (as a teacher) - is BELOW (as in "bring it down" to my level) someone who serves in the military or law enforcement.
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Brian, You are ABSOLUTELY right.. Apples to oranges compparison.. Comparing someone posing as a COMBAT decorated US Marine to some Canuk posing as a socialistic Canadian school teacher.. What was I thinking.. 
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Ya, ya - I know - the military only takes the cream of the crop - we all know that. Everyone serving - could have had a degree or two - if they'd wanted to.
Instead of personal attacks - let's stick to the arguement - if a guy dresses up to impress people - why should it be CRIMINAL OFFENCE - in a FREE country?
If lying to chicks to get laid (as was probably this guy's motive) - is a criminal offense - then 90% of the men in this world men should probably have done jail time!
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Many of them do these days Sir, even the enlisted ones! One of the bennies of service is access to free and/or affordable higher education.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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I'm not arguing that.
I argued that teaching is not necessarily ranked BELOW military or police service.
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Sheesh, get a life Sir, differing endeavors are not above or below each other, they all have their place.
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In a free country, you can do whatever you want, but you have to live with the consequences of those actions. Nowhere is it written in the constitution that you can do what you want, when you want, where you want.
So if someone get's a fake identification card or passport, should that be a crime? Or should you wait until that person uses the fraudulant documentation to commit a crime?
I see absolutely no difference between creating fake documents then dressing up in a uniform that someone hasn't earned. Even though I never served, I have a great deal of respect for that uniform, and the men and women that have worn it. Also all that gave some, and the some that gave all.
I don't know how to explain reverence, to someone that doesn't understand reverence.
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If the fraud - is to commit a crime - YES!
If the act is - to attempt to impress people - NO!
Then it's just pathetic, sad, and despicable. But in my opinion - in a free country - it shouldn't be criminal.
I'm going around in circles now.
I'm going to agree to disagree.
Someone pretending to be have a degree or two (that they didn't earn), or to claiming be a Marine - or a neuro-surgeon - or a professional athlete, or a lawyer, or a rocket-scientist, or a marine biologist or an architect - or what-ever - to get laid - makes no difference - in my opinion.
To SAY you are brain-surgeon (or dress-up like one) in front of a bunch of class-mates (or chicks) - that is one thing.
To actually OPERATE on someone (without the degree) - that is totally something else!
People should be able to understand the difference in severity - between the two acts.
No fraud - if the goal is to merely impress people - is above or below any other.
To pretend anything in life - is sad.
I'll just never agree - that such an act (pretending to be someone you are not - in order to impress people) should be criminal.
People can openly disagree and freely disagree on this issue.
That's the greatest thing about living in a free state - as all of us - on this list - are fortunate enough to be able to do.
Signing off on this topic...
Brian
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In a free country, you can do whatever you want, but you have to live with the consequences of those actions. Nowhere is it written in the constitution that you can do what you want, when you want, where you want.
So if someone get's a fake identification card or passport, should that be a crime? Or should you wait until that person uses the fraudulant documentation to commit a crime?
I see absolutely no difference between creating fake documents then dressing up in a uniform that someone hasn't earned. Even though I never served, I have a great deal of respect for that uniform, and the men and women that have worn it. Also all that gave some, and the some that gave all.
I don't know how to explain reverence, to someone that doesn't understand reverence. Well said..
To all gunmaker critics-
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.."- Teddy Roosevelt
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George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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Ya ya - I know - the military only takes the cream of the crop Careful, lets slow down here with this spat. We're going to end up saying something that may become a little too permanent. I'm a Marine veteran myself & I have a humble handful of wartime medals, nothing like this buffoon tried to pretend to be mind you. And although I can stomach the fraud personally, I take offense , great offense on behalf of those currently in service & those of past service that have & do put themselves in harms hay on a daily basis. There is no instant replay with a ref deciding who "medals" & who don't. It don't work like that. These men & women do what ever they have to do & sometimes a superior catches wind of something extraordinary and puts in a recommendation. These are selfless acts played out in the worse of conditions and that medal is your country's way of saying "hey, we saw that and we appreciate it, thank you hero." Falsely wearing the uniform itself is an insult to those that have earned it, the medals.... too much. Our country protects the honor of those that have earned it. I do not see this as a bad thing. Making an example of a man like this is in my opinion necessary. We owe it to our service men & women. It sends a message to the public as well as a message to our service members. It is the way we have chosen to protect this type of honor from fraud & I agree with it. It has nothing to do with Canadian teachers vs. American servicemen & women. It's simply something we do for our brave men & women of the armed forces of the United States of America. A very small gesture of appreciation, protection of honor.
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Well said ND, well said indeed Sir.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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Dave,
your whole post takes into account that someone understands honor and respect even in the presence of freedom.
The respect for the uniform, valor (as evidenced by medals) and the like are lost to some.
"Some men you just can't reach" I believe is the quote.
In true socialistic fashion though, we are [bleep] idiots for not seeing the "freedom to dress up in order to get laid", but its OK that some don't understand that honor and valor are equally compelling to others?
unbelievable.
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Brian, What makes you think that's not illegal in Canada? Impersonating a Government Official?
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For gain - yes.
At a reunion - or a night-club - no.
Pugs - thanks for the link - Canada has some dumb laws too! In this case - equally dumb. But then - I'm a guy who believes a girl should be able to legally sell her body if she chooses to - and I believe that the law should allow me to eat any mushroom or plant that I choose to.
I'm kind of a libertarian in that way.
I do wish that I had pointed that out - that the Canadian law sounds just like the American one. But - you did the research - and kudos to you! All laws we do have - aren't necessarily - laws we should have.
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For gain - yes.
At a reunion - or a night-club - no.
exactly how many lies will you tell to get what you want? Your wife would be proud.
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Canada has some dumb laws too! You're right, as does the USA, but this isn't one of them. George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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I try not to to lie.
But I won't say - that I have never told a lie in my life.
Is never having told a lie in your own life - something you want to go on record as claiming?
Is your wife proud of you?
And tell me - do you like casting stones?
Brian
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