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I like .270. If its good enough for Cactus Jack then...
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Yepper it's just you... Never quite seen the reasoning to stick a short action round in a rig that will handle longer rounds. Unless you do it in a 35 Rem and that's just cause it's cool! Dober It can give a reloader the ability to seat their chosen bullet out to an OAL that can match a factory chamber mo' better. As long as the magazine will cooperate!
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Never quite seen the reasoning to stick a short action round in a rig that will handle longer rounds. Agreed . . . unless it has a really short barrel. The 308 was designed for carbines.
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The 7600 is a kicking fool as from the factory in 30 06. I'd go with the lighter recoiler just for that reason and add a good pad to boot.
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Blindfolded noone can tell a .270 from a .30-06 as far as recoil is concerned. In fact with the same weight bullet the recoil is the same.
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Unlike some who have theorized here on what the .270 will do in a short barrel, I have actually tested .270's with short barrels--and a lot of other cartridges.
There is no rule for any of them. I have seen moderate rounds like the 7x57 lose 60 fps per inch of barrel lopped off, and I have seen rounds like the .300 Winchester Magnum lose only 15 fps per inch. It depends more on the specific load than the cartridge, because often the same rifle will lose 20 fps per inch with one load and 50 fps per inch with another.
About the only real pattern that has appeared in these tests is that the combination that loses the LEAST velocity in shorter barrels is heavier bullets with slower-burning powders. This is backwards from a lot of theorizing, but that's what happens when short-barreled rifles are actually shot.
A short-barreled .270 will kill deer just fine at 100 yards, or even 400 yards.
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But not as good as a 280...............grin
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Another vote for the '06. Leave it at 22" for better balance. And with the size of the deer, as well as the occassional moose, the '06 just makes more sense, especially at 100yds. And there's no flies on it for 3-400yd shooting, either.
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I've yet to ever run a round thru a 7600 but none of the 760's I've ever shot were any too caustic in an 06. Course I may be too weathered from other big guns to know the diff anymo...
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I've yet to ever run a round thru a 7600 but none of the 760's I've ever shot were any too caustic in an 06. Course I may be too weathered from other big guns to know the diff anymo...
Dober It's not a matter of how much a a man you or I are. Just a matter of a nothing great stock design with no recoil pad at all. My CDL 270 is a pure pussy cat with any loads compared to my 7600 with moderate loaded 150's. I have no issue banging as many rounds as I want through the 7600 but if shooting it along side my CDL 270 or Win 70 300 WSM in a Mcmillan there is a WOW, this 7600 hits hard in comparison realization. Of course being chambered in a 270 won't change that much while a good recoil pad would. Just pointing out a reality.
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I hunt the thick coastal swamplands of NC and the hills and hollows of WV with a Remington 760 in 30-06. It has a 22" bbl and I've never felt handicapped with it. If it was me I'd leave it at 22" at least for a season or two and then decide if I wanted it chopped. I really like mine and like I said it's in 30-06 but I would be just as happy if it was a 270, 280, 308, or whatever.
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30-06 would be my choice but I would not chop the barrel, you loose velocity and possibly accuracy if the barrel is not crowned properly.
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The 7600 is a kicking fool as from the factory in 30 06. +1 JDK- I'm not what part of the state you are in, but I'll let you fire off a few rounds from a 7600 .30-06 Carbine (18.5" barrel) that I have so you can see how jumpy they are. I'm not sure it would help your decision or not.
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The 7600 is a kicking fool as from the factory in 30 06. +1 JDK- I'm not what part of the state you are in, but I'll let you fire off a few rounds from a 7600 .30-06 Carbine (18.5" barrel) that I have so you can see how jumpy they are. I'm not sure it would help your decision or not. I'm not a fan of the carbine either. But one thing that needs fixin right out of the box is that plastic but plate! CLB
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The 7600 is a kicking fool as from the factory in 30 06. JDK- I'm not what part of the state you are in, but I'll let you fire off a few rounds from a 7600 .30-06 Carbine (18.5" barrel) that I have so you can see how jumpy they are. I'm not sure it would help your decision or not. Thank you. I'm in Caribou.
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JDK: Nice up there....used to hunt Monticello;Harvey's Siding and Mountain #9......how did you do this year? Does anyone ever kill bucks on those big potato fields? Never sat them but often wondered......
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FVA-I never questioned how much of a man you are.
I was merely saying that I may be a bit too punchy from too many years of 340's/375 Wby's, 416's and such....was poking fun at me and not you!
Plus after working those rounds something like a 06 is a pure p-cat.
I do agree though that certain stock designs all fit us differently and one rifle in say an 06 and another rifle in an 06 may just feel very different when we drop the hammer.
Case in point, I had a Red Label 12 that pounded me to no end, never had a 12 of any other kind feel even remotely like it..
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JDK: Nice up there....used to hunt Monticello;Harvey's Siding and Mountain #9......how did you do this year? Does anyone ever kill bucks on those big potato fields? Never sat them but often wondered...... Bob Northern Maine's deer herd should be on the Endangered Species list. The biologists estimate that deer densities are less the 0.5 deer per square mile now and less than 150 deer were tagged in all of Aroostook County in 2009 (Archery, rifle, and ML season or about 9 1/2 weeks) As you know it is the size of Connecticut and Rhode Island combined. It is as bad as I have ever seen it. I hunted 17 days and saw 2 does and a spike. I did not have the heart to shoot him. The only areas where there are at least some deer is in the agricultural areas in eastern Aroostook.
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30-06 would be my choice but I would not chop the barrel Dino Same here. Of course, if you still can't make up your mind, just flip a coin and proceed forward with your new hunting rifle.
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