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Its Bush's fault.

JD338

Typical Communists both of you - Instead of questioning whether or not the Gov't should even own such vast proportions of our land, you pretend to hide behind libertarian ideals and blame the people who are smart enough to take advantage of idiots like you who allow the Gov't to own everything.

Envy looks so good on Commies.

Maybe.

I would argue traps and poison tipped the balance rather than shooting, same as how 1080 {??) explosive poison traps temporarily eradicated even coyotes from some places.

Still is legal to shoot mt. lions as vermin across Texas, tho I would agree they are a special case, being as elusive as they habitually are. We have 'em within the city limits at times.

How about shoot wolves on sight on private lands?

Certainly any wolf seen around livestock is a threat, at least equal to a stray dog. Leastways I would think so if it was my money on the hoof at risk.

And just to correct an earlier point: ALL predators kill for the joy of killing even when not hungry. Pretty much an established principle of animal behavior that the various components of predatory behavior are rewarding in of themselves to the animal, independent of actual feeding.

Birdwatcher

Up to 20 plus year old surveys that only ask about Yellowstone somehow don't seem very relevant today concerning wolves state wide.

Won't happen. That would require him DOING something, and would create factual information from something other than theroies.

Is this for real? I grew up ON highway 2. Hunted north of there all my life, and yes including very near HWY 1. From the time I started hunting until the mid 90's, there simply wern't many deer at all up there.

Oh man, I got a good chuckle out of that one!!!

I never allowed the government to own anything, heck if I didn't think that I'd get shot for it, I would take over the National Forests!

I was however raised on a 24,000 acre private ranch in Wyoming of not which one acre was owned by the Federal Gov't, so my version of Capitalism doesn't include cheap Gov't land leases for those in tight with the right politicians-- we paid a lot more in property taxes than most public grazers (The same ones who are charging you for access to public land, and the same ones who are crying "wolf"), pay in leases every year per acre.

I'm not going to get in a name calling game with you though, I have too much respect for most of the campfire members on each side of this issue than to have anything to do with that kind of nonsense.

I'm afraid that is your imagination going off on a trip again. I didn't say that. I said that both increased. Understand correlation and how it differs from causation. This is not complicated.



Did you not say north of H2? As if you thought I might not know about H2, having driven it so many times, I can damn near recite the curves in order.



You really don't know what poor hunting is. And perhaps, maybe you just can't hunt. Ever consider that? Try the 60s and 70s. You failed to fill out - as if you understood the history of deer hunting and wolves in the NE. What a joke. You're a babe in the woods, boy.



I was there, with the wolves.



Did the wolves go away? Of course not.

Do they smell like fish once you get them home?........



Casey

i for one am old enough to remember hunting back to the mid 60's.

The late 50's and most of the 60's were banner years for deer hunting in northern mn.
it was a combination of widespread logging that increased deer habitat and preditor control in the form of trapping and hunting.
Deer hunting in the seventies declined severly due to several bad winters in a row and an increase in large preditors.
I still remember many letters to the editor in local papers by farmers decrieing predation on livestock during those hard winters
Montana and Idaho have done well to get a hunting season on wolves as fast as they did, The best recourse in those states now is management. They,re pretty much there to stay.
I have no problem with a wolf population in Mn - We just need to manage them.
We can have both animals in the same ecosystem, but man as top preditor must be the check and balance to make it work for all parties concerned.

Made by the locals using traditional methods, and yes odor was one of the possibles.

See what I mean? Once again somebody shows up without reading the entire thread, goes off on a tangent, and starts calling names--impossible to have a discussion- or even a halfway civil debate.........

And by the way Barry, in just about every wolf thread I let myself get sucked into, I suggest we sell all that federal land and end all the hoopla--but you won't find any of these free, rugged, independent boys out here biting on that suggestion--such a thing is unthinkable.......

Nor am I advocating it


Casey

I didn't understand why some of the others jumped on you so hard before this post even got revved up.

But I do now.

And now I get the joke "BTDT"

And it's damn funny.

no I never mentioned Hwy2, you have me confused with one of my fellow Minnesotans that said something to the effect of a wolf boundary existing roughly in that area.



What does that mean? You were with them? Were you the alpha male?



You have really exposed yourself here, condescending remarks & name calling.

I don't know what poor hunting is...

Oh you're right Brent, I also don't know what an apple is, or a shoe, or a house cat, or a rock... Well, I kinda know what those things are, but not nearly as well as YOU know.

Please forgive me.

Calling me "boy" (by the way, this boy is a decorated combat veteran of the United States Marine Corps that fought to preserve your right to call me "boy" You are welcome.)

Telling me I don't know how to hunt.

Whatever helps you stay above the rest of us in your mind Brent.

"I was there, with the wolves"

wow.

I'm not going to call you names Brent, I can see that you do enough damage to yourself.

What an excellent post.

Forgive me for I am a capitalist and see a opportunity to take advantage of the increased populations of wolves in MN and WI. No deer to shoot in the "up nort" so there are cabins, cottages, deer camps, 40s and 80s coming on the real estate market. Should be able to pick up some fine real estate in the near future...CHEAP.

I am old enough to live through a large part of the deer hunters cycle of life in Wisconsin. In the beginning the north was practically logged off and the wolves shot to hell. Young timber appeared in the slashings and the deer population exploded. There was no deer in the south to speak of so in the 1940s and 1950s us farmer boys put our nickels together and bought 40s and 80s, put up shacks, cabins, cottages, etc. We joined the mass migration up north every November...fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers...life was good. In time the north timber began to mature and deer population slowly declined. Central Wisconsin became the hot spot for deer. Many of us broke tradition and bought 40s and 80s there...put up cabins, cottages, shacks, etc. But then again many diehards stayed up north...life there was still good. In the late 1950s and early 1960s deer came on the landscape in southern Wisconsin...not explosive populations as appeared in the north and central Wisconsin, rather a steady population increase. Many of us in the south decided not to make the drive up north. We found out that we did not have to hunt a 9 day season. We could hunt weekends and Thanksgiving Day. More deer hunters left the northwoods, but life was still good...that is until now.

I want to take advantage of the northern diehards (the last holdouts) who sit in the cedar swamps and mature forests hours on end without seeing a hair...wolf hair, but no deer hair. Buy them out lock stock and barrel. Deer was and still is big business in the north, but the future is not bright. When people won't take it anymore there will be pressure on the state and Feds to do something about it. All the left wing wack job animal groups and tree huggers will be suddenly defeated in our courts and the wolves will be shot to hell. Deer populations will increase, people will want to hunt in the north again...life will be good.

I won't be here to see the end of wolf as a dominant predator, but my kids will and they can sell all the real estate I acquired to the pilgrims wanting to hunt deer "up nort."

He was...right there dancing with them.

well,you is smart.but,I hardly think you qualify as an unbiased opinion.Do wolves qualify as "just plain cute"?

just how does global warming fit in to all this wolf controversy,Brent D?

fluffy I think you're on to something LOL.

After reading this whole damned thread, about all I can see is that wolves make people emotional, on both sides.


I'm a non-stakeholder here, so I'll keep my yap shut, but I tend to default to the farmer/rancher side of things, since that's my background. If they don't want 'em, that's good enough for me.