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The biggest problem right now for me is that to protect your own property/family would be poaching.

Historically speaking, the word poaching paints a particular picture for me, it means intentionally pursuing/hunting/trapping illegally.

But now people that entertain the idea of protecting their livestock, pets or children at their own residence are tossed into the general category "poachers"

Which I believe is very unfortunate.

I truly believe the majority here just wants sensible rights & management. That's all.

Very few are screaming for eradication.

Happy new year everybody.

Can't be any in Jackson county. They're northern forest animals, and brent didn't count any down there.

See, this is what happens, when somebody displays a conservation ethic that includes ALL wildlife. The moment somebody defends wildlife, instead of only defending a species that are politically correct for a few, the falsehoods and false accusations fly.

Brent never suggested--in any manner--that he won't hunt wolves--indeed, he has said MANY times on these wolf threads he would hunt wolves if given the legal opportunity.



Casey

If game management is just about money making, perhaps, but I'm not so sure. Meanwhile, do you know the consequences of a ridiculously high whitetail population? How is your hemlock and oak seedling recruitment? What effect will that have on your forests in another hundred years? You may not care, but the Michigan DNR has to care. It's their job.

My guess is that increased tourism and wolf hunting will do a lot to increase the economics of the region, though perhaps not the coffers of the MI DNR specifically. In any event, study up on your trees and how they are doing. Here in Iowa, we have 30 yr old oaks that are only 6" tall because they get nipped to the ground every year. On my own property, there are no sapling or young oaks at all. Zero. Deer are the reason. My forest will turn to sugar maple which is pretty, but does not support many deer, few turkeys and fewer still squirrels. Game will eventually decline.

Brent

I think many did, at the least support it. Sort of a novelty if you will. And many did under the assumption that there would be some sort of control, and, big surprise, there hasn't been, and the light at the end of the tunnel can't be seen at this juncture.

And, your carrying capacity statement carries little weight as the WI DNR continues to beat their collective chest that they're renowned and admired across the nation for their ability to assess and count deer, wolves and bears. Yeah, they're 0-3 and you're exactly 0-for-this-entire-thread.

Dave, if shooting any wolf you see in the name of protection is what you mean, ain't gonna happen. But if you shoot a wolf that is charging your little girl or that is attacking your dog, no jury on the planet is going to convict you. NONE. And I'm all for that.

BTW, I have a new pup named Gus as well (another one for your collection, Fluff)






We must be reading different forums.

Brent

Hello Brent,

Do not want to change direction of this thread so sent you a personal message...question on pre-Euro settlement and post Euro-settlement populations of wolves and coyotes

Well, we do a similar thing as a nation every year, it's called "The 4th of July."

Civil disobedience is an American tradition. There's a few good books on the subject, you should read one.

When backed into a corner, I believe in civil disobedience for a just cause.

Having wolves force-fed by those with a larger agenda (ie, the elimination of sport hunting) isn't something that should necessarily be accepted passively. The wolf in the hands of various eco-groups borders on a religious, fund-raising mantra that is a cynical tool to further a larger agenda. That's a FACT.

Around here, most of us greeted the idea of the wolf reintroduction with skepticism and took a wait and see attitude, hoping the promises made would be fulfilled. Wolves are breeding faster than the current culling quota's can control... elk and moose numbers are down throughout the wolf's range, and in some areas precipitously so. Personally, most of us in Montana like to hunt and would like to see the tradition here for our kids. The wolf, left to breed at the little-controlled pace right now, could jeopardize that tradition.

MTFWP would like higher bag limits on wolves, but can't afford the litigation groups like Defenders Of Wildlife will bring. MTFWP has stated such publicly.

I for one love the wild, mournful howl of the wolf and the fact he's in our mountains... but NOT at the expense of my hunting rights, and the future of Montana hunting.

That Yellowstone was overgrazed was a fact. That the park service wasn't going to allow hunting in the park to control the ungulate numbers was a fact. That the wolf was a logical solution given the other two facts, is a fact. That the wolf has done its job too successfully is also a fact.

It doesn't/never had to be an "either-or" proposition, but the bulk of inflexibility and intransigence has been on the wolf-huggers side, and many of us fear it may be too late if left to the wrangling in the courts.

Many of us in MT were not originally a supporters of SSS. Many, if not most of us, have changed our minds based on the double-dealing, lying and manipulation we've witnessed here since 1996...

Ya done rung the bell again Brad.

+1 Brad!!!

Get ready...he's going to call your a retard soon.

Hunted WI near Minoqua this year, as I have for thirty years.

On opening day a hunting buddy had to stop and load his rifle on the way to his treestand. 5am in the morning with wolves on both sides of him just out of sight paralleling his walk to the stand. He got nervous. I would too.

Plenty of bear up there, but I have never felt the need to be armed when scouting or setting up a blind or stand. That has changed now.

WI statewide deer harvest down 29%. Oneida county where I hunt was down 50%. The DNR blames the fog on opening morning. I blame the fog in the minds of those in the DNR. The DNR is catching holy-he!!, and rightfully so. Neither the wolves nor their protectors are off-limits.

The forest floor in the hardwoods is an inch deep with acorns. No deer to eat them.

Time for the top predator to re-balance the eco-system. [bleep] the "professionals" and their idealistic theories.

Well said Brad, nailed it.


Also, the biggest Red Hearing of propaganda out there is that woofes only
eat the sick and dying.


And they are NOT a big game animal, they are a predator dog and should be treated as such.

My exact thoughts on the word "poaching".

But I wasn't going to bother typing it because BrentD won't hear it anyway. He never listens to anything or anybody. Proved that long ago. Also proved he's a lefty liberal and a commie. And mentalities like his are a very large portion of what's wrong in America today.

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You'll just need to type slower for him.

Very well stated!

Actually I've just been PM'd by a friend here that has helped by pointing out that my statements about not being able to defend people (I've said children ir kids several times now) is not correct.

I'm very glad to be wrong about that

Brent, what's the cost to the shooter to hear the jury say, "not guilty on all counts"?

TL

There's another problem right there, with people like you, Brent.

Just because you know a jury won't convict you believe everything is AOK. Well, it isn't!

The legal fees alone will ruin most people. And that's NOT even going to jury trial. If it goes that far, they'll have to sell the ranch just to pay for it all. That's wrong. You can't get any more wrong than that. People like that with that mentality cheerfully leave victims in their wake everywhere they go. Shame on you.

Coyotes are not wolves.
If man could have eradicated the coyote, he would have long since disappeared from the landscape. It has been tried by ever method man could devise. Coyote lives on, reintroduction will never be necessary.