Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Article from the "Investor's Business Daily."

Article from the "Investor's Business Daily." It provides some
very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
Health Organization.



Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%



Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
within six months:
U..S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%



Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%



Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%



Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18



Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
"excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%



I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada .



Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said, *"Elderly Americans must learn
to accept the inconveniences of old age."*
*SHIP HIS ASS TO **CANADA** OR **ENGLAND** !*

Amen.

That should say it all right there, but this stuff has been known throughout the debate though suppressed by the media.

Sorry TLee,

Those figures are bo11ocks, cherry picked to support an argument!

If somebody in the US doesn't have Health Cover (or cash!), I bet they wait a lot longer than 6 months for a hip replacement !

And only 15% of people in the UK get diabetes treatment with in 6 months?? More rubbish...

Those with cash or health care cover probably do get decent treatment in the US, its the poor sods without the financial means that go without...

Like I said before, you never get threads like this on British forums:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ew/1/TERRY_SHOEMAKER_GIRLS_UPDATE#UNREAD

And presence on here over the years of so many similar threads looking for funds for health care is far more indicative of why so many Americans want Universal Health Care!

Speaking as one that lives in The USA, and as one that has not always been covered by an employee health care benefit plan, I have never been turned down by a hospital or doctor when i needed medical attention and treatment.

I have been hospitalized for blood poising and viral pneumonia and was treated as indigent health care with the most professional care I have gotten under my current insurance.

So to say US citizens can not get proper health care without insurance is a bunch of bull. Spoken by someone that has been there and has the tee shirt to prove it. The claims of poor Americans not being able to get treatment is nothing but propaganda to push a socialist agenda pure and simple.

So you're saying if some OAP with no health cover needs a hip replacement, they'll get it?

So nemesis, are you saying you'd have been happy to see HRstretch being withheld treatament during the time he wasn't covered by a Company Medical Plan? Even if it was fatal?

Pretty much. There are so many layers of net here that if one seeks, one will find. From the VA, to Children's Hospitals, to University Medical Centers to Metro Medical Centers, to Medicare, to Catholic Hospitals etc., etc.

You cannot be denied emergency medical care here and the care that the indigent and uninsured do get is largely responsible for our health care costs. We already cover everyone, we just don't do it through some massive government run system. Well, actually we partially do.

When my wife was a Director at a large University Medical Center, every organ transplant had to be cleared through her.

I just asked her and she said that 75% of organ transplants that were done while she was there were uncompensated care, meaning uninsured or under insured and/or no means to pay for the treatment. This was not isolated to her medical center which was unlike most, private. This is the norm in the U.S.

Pete, those are averages, nothing else. And yes even the uninsured get expensive treatment here.

Pete, you dont get it. If we wanted health care like england , or government like england, or anything else like england

we'ed move to fooking england!

We like it the way we like it cuz its not like england, or mexico, or norway or france or any other [bleep] of a country that wishes they had what we have here.... Freedom!!
The freedom to have things exclusively American....for good or bad.

Pete, that's a misconception foreigners have about US health care. IF a person is destitute and doesnt have insurance Medicaid kicks in and they end up getting taken care of.
The US spends more per person on healthcare than the UK or CA BTW.

Yes, the uninsured do get medical care gratis (if they cannot afford it), but they usually get it through Emergency Rooms (and follow-up hospital care) after the situation becomes drastic. If they could get early primary care, their chances of survival would be higher, the costs would le lower and the entire health system would be better off.

I don't care how we provide for early diagnosis and treatment, but I want those without health insurance to get regular medical screenings and treatment; it is less expensive in the long run.

Story from Science Daily

"U.S. Still Spends More On Health Care Than Any Other Country"

See: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050712140821.htm

No, we have a finite number of healthcare providers. As soon as you increase demand and cannot increase supply, patient care will suffer. Not to mention, those most likely to not be covered and not getting frequent diagnosis are the least likely to take care of themselves and tend to be the most abusive of free care.

It is impossible for it to cost less in the long run. Universal health would overwhelm our system leading to longer waits and lower quality care.

I believe if an elderly indigent person needs a hip replacement there are plenty of charities both private and religious that would help out. That my friends are the real facts socialists don't want to see or admit.

Show us a country with our quality of care that has as many high risk demographics and poverty level residents as the U.S.

Imagine what would happen to the Canadian system if 30 million African Americans and 40 million Mexicans moved north next year.

That is believable when you realize the medical insurance industry does its very best to only insure the healthy portion of the nations population.

That 75% is funded by taxes which everyone ends up paying in one form or another be it county/state property taxes directly or figured into the cost of goods/services provided by your local butcher, baker & candlestick maker.

Lord help us all when the fed takes out taxes and directly pays the medical insurance industry to cover everyone.

Yeah Pete, we have a saying over here that goes "Money talks and bullschit walks"................. ya' know?

Besides that, I think HRstretch answered your question for me when he said:

"I believe if an elderly indigent person needs a hip replacement there are plenty of charities both private and religious that would help out. That my friends are the real facts socialists don't want to see or admit."