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Wich bullet did you tried?
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I am already three grains below listed maximum. I have found over the years that most of my guns are a little more accurate just under full loads. I was actually thinking of bumping the loads up a grain to try something different. Absolutely.. Go up in half-grain amts and try again... Many of the 'more accurate' loads shown in a couple of my books run near the top fps.. You might be going too slow to get full stabilization.. You're running these over a chrono, right? I would like to get the trigger pull to around three pounds but Winchester really does not want anyone adjusting the trigger. I was able to cut the majority of the stuff off with a pocket knife but the hols are completly filled. Any ideas for a solvent for the sealer?. Doncha just love those MOA triggers?...
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You could try Kutzit Paint and Varnish remover for solvent on the sealer.It might do the job.
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The best way I find to remove the glue was to take a pair of cutter.I was able to remove almost all the glue in one pass that way on the 2 mod 70 that I won.I would also try the rifle with another scope before giving up on it.
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Agree, the first step is ALWAYS to check mounts and swap out the scope to one you KNOW works 100%. A GOOD scope not some Chinese crap.
I would also invest in a box of factory Federal Premium ammo loaded with the Nosler� Ballistic Tip as that is a bullet that almost always shoots the best (along with Sierras) in factory ammo.
Clean the bore and CHAMBER well and see what happens.
Keep us posted ....mysteries are fun IF you are not the victim.
I still wonder why the great M-70 trigger was ever changed. All the 70s I have ever owned were easy to get to 2.5-3 pounds.
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Is there a pressure point at the end of the forearm?? If so, I would remove it. You can also shim the action up enough for the barrel to not be touching the stock at the end. Then go to the range (truly free floated) and try it out again using same ammo as at the start.
Apparently you are using factory ammo??? If you are doing your own loading, make sure you are not mixing your brass. I helped a guy at the range who was having similar problems. When I sorted and shot his hand loads by brand of brass, most of his problems went away.
Also make sure you are using the scale correctly and that it is repeatable.
Don't bounce around with the bullets either. Coated vs not coated being mixed or shot alternately can be an issue also.
Same weight but different brand/style are not interchangeable either (usually).
Make sure you always set up the same on the sand bags. Also make sure that the sling studs are not contacting the bags.
If nothing else works, try starting with a clean (really clean) bore. Shoot one, clean, shoot again, clean, etc. See what a couple 5 shot groups look like doing that.
Just thinking out loud. Hope something here is worthwhile.
Tim
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I would make sure your barrel is not fouled. If so square that away first.
Action screws on a Model 70 cannot be over-tightened or of course it will affect accuracy.
I was raised shooting Model 70's and the following procedure is what I was taught and have always used. By no means an expert but a Model 70 Fanatic.
1) Loosen all action screws.
2) Snug the top external screw until you meet resistance.
3) Snug the screw behind the trigger guard in the same manner, and lastly do the same to the screw under the floor-plate.
4) Close floor-plate and tighten top action screw. Use common sense here and don't squeeze it down like most tend to do on an oil pan drainplug.
5) Do the same to the trigger guard screw in step 4.
6) Lastly, re-open floor plate and tighten the middlel screw in the same manner and then back the screw out 1/4 turn.
Shoot for accuracy.
I have never used Blue Loctite on action screws on a Model 70 Winchester.
Nor have I ever had to re-bed a Model 70 Winchester.
Accept the fact that you are shooting a lightweight rifle and don't expect Sub MOA groups. I have also learned that most accuracy problems are either scope or ammo related. Sounds like you have the scope factored out already so you may be ahead of the game. Try different ammo? Was it windy when you were shooting? Was it an a.m. shoot after drinking coffee?
Just trying to help, not be a smart***.
Please post back and see if anything improved after tightening action screws outlined above. I think you might be happy. Not to hi-jack this thread but just wanted to thank Storker for his avice about tightening the various action screws on a Model 70. I just bought a used Model 70 Classic Stainless and, before going to the range today to shoot it, I followed his advice to a "T". The rifle shot great. Did it make a difference? I really don't know but it sure didn't hurt anything.
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I still wonder why the great M-70 trigger was ever changed. One of the dumbest things ever done by a rifle manufacturer - EVER... Just my .05.... 
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The scope is good. I tried it on another rifle. It is a Leupold VXIII.
So far I have used Nolser BTs, BarnesX, and Hornady SP bullets.
I am going to the range again on Tuesday. Hopefully the trigger will be adjusted by then. I'll pick up some Sierras this weekend.
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I have one of the new FWt's in 270 but haven't shot it yet.........as someone has already said, the barrels are already properly floated & that can be either good or bad.
I'd take Lee's (Redneck) advice & try a wee bit of barrel pressure as IMHO, most light barrels shoot best with light to neutral pressure.
The bedding on the lug & the tang on my gun looks as good as I could do except that the bottom of the action is not bedded.
I'd also check the magazine liner & make sure it's not binding when the action screws are tightened. If so file some off the bottom until it's just free.
I've got 2 other 270's & had numerous others..........RL22 & either 140 gr Nosler BT's or AB's have always produced good results. Both 4350's are good as is H4831. If no combination of those bullet & powders won't shoot, likely the problem is something else other than the ammo.
I have noticed that the chamber on the new Win is definitely tight as I cannot get fired brass from either of my other 2 guns to chamber ( Rem KS & a Sako Fiberclass).
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Took the stock off and reinstalled it. The factory had it torqed like a diesel head gasket. I Played with it until the tightness seemed reasonable. Checked to make sure the barrel was still floated. I still have not adjusted the trigger. The local Home Depot has solvents in 1 to 5 gallon sizes and I likely need about 5 drops. I still had ammo loaded so I went to the range this AM. From a cold barrel, the first 3 shot group measured 5/8". I set the rifle aside until it was cold again. The second three shot group measured just over 3/4" I can certianly live with those results. It didn't start to open the groups up until five or six shots and then only to about 1 1/2" Thanks again for all the input on this problem.
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Looks like you are well on your way to enjoying a nice rifle.
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Glad it's doing better.. Yeah, I've had a few factory rifles in where they had the stock screws so tight I was afraid I was going to break a bit getting 'em loose.. Idiots..
If you get consistent 5/8" 3-shot groups from a cold barrel, I wouldn't mess with it any more.. By the time you may need a fourth shot, the deer (or other critter) could be in high gear and out of sight..
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I love a happy ending. Especially an inexpensive one.
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Accept the fact that you are shooting a lightweight rifle and don't expect Sub MOA groups.
I don't really agree with this statment. LW rifles should shoot MOA I have 4 and have found loads for all of them that will group sub MOA. Don't lower you standards for a hunting rifle and sacrifice wieght for accuracy +1 with hw. It's horseshit that light rifles won't shoot. Guess some folks just can't shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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