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Don't they have different ogives?
Isn't the E-Tip more like a Partition on the front-end shapewise?
TTSX more pointed? Can't wait until he Googles secant and tangent ogives, tapered throats and ball seat throats......7mm and 222 huh? Which ones? It won't be interesting SammO, but it might be entertaining....... 
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I heard he just spends time Googling himself..... Whatever that means.....  Ingwe
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Don't they have different ogives?
Isn't the E-Tip more like a Partition on the front-end shapewise?
TTSX more pointed? ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/556/medium/IMG_07135.JPG) Here's how the 150 30 cals compare (with a like-weight Accubond thrown in.)
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That is an incorrect statement. The bullet bearing surface in relation to the chamber angle can mean a great deal.
Too much can increase pressure, which will affect velocity and speed up throat erosion. It also can have a detrimental effect on barrel life. You can reduce the pressure and increase penetration with a little KY. If you happen to be out you can borrow some from Oldman.
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. . . they are just ripoff copies of TTSXs with a bit of tin added. The TTSX is just a ripoff copy, with a bit of tin removed, of a bullet designed by Charlie O'Neil and fired by Elmer Keith 73 years ago. The bullet is described in the April 1937 issue of American Rifleman. (2004 thread: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/391697) O'Neil may have gotten the idea from Grove Wotkyns, who supplied the bullets for Elmer's expedition with a 220 Swift. The description was published in the July 1937 American Rifleman. (2009 thread: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3458495) --Bob
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The TTSX is just a ripoff copy, with a bit of tin removed, of a bullet designed by Charlie O'Neil and fired by Elmer Keith 73 years ago. The bullet is described in the April 1937 issue of American Rifleman. Can't be true, Bullshooter, the oldpompoustwit pioneered the use of the TTSX. Great stuff!!!
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Here's how the 150 30 cals compare (with a like-weight Accubond thrown in.) I like the one with the BLUE tip.  I like them even better at 168g...
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The TTSX is just a ripoff copy, with a bit of tin removed, of a bullet designed by Charlie O'Neil and fired by Elmer Keith 73 years ago. The bullet is described in the April 1937 issue of American Rifleman. Can't be true, Bullshooter, the oldpompoustwit pioneered the use of the TTSX. Great stuff!!! It's hard to think right with the taste of the sweet nectar still wet on the lips. ('o course, a sip of the bitter stuff can be an abrupt remedy.) I like the one with the BLUE tip. They do have that edge in the marketing realm for those who are visually swayed. (I also happen to think Barnes ripped off Nosler's most handsome Ballistic Tip color scheme when they did the TTSX ; Heck, I'm planning to build a 250 Savage just so I can shoot those pretty bullets  ).
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Got any proof of that, or are you just speculating?
Within reason it can have an effect, breaking it down to minutes and seconds of an angle depending on caliber is idiotic.
You're not changing the bore diameter, or groove depth or width, just the angle that the amount of lead-in the bullet is using to enter the bore.
Run the trig out and tell me the difference. It's next to nothing over such a short distance of travel. I don't believe you are understanding the process. At the point of ignition, if the chamber pressure spikes due to excessive contact by the bearing surface, that pressure does not just disappear. It drives the projectile at a higher velocity than intended down the length of the barrel. Not only is the chamber subjected to this pressure but the entire barrel. Doing this repeatedly over time creates accelerated throat errosion and signficantly reduces barrel life. It also leads to more fouling and in a worse case scenario, can damage the bullet causing erratic flight characteristics. Let me know if you need it explained further. So in short, you have no [bleep] clue. Thanks for clearing that up and proving you have absolutley no idea what amount of angle change would result in pressure spikes within a given caliber because you're merely speculating, rather than backing your theory up with hard data. For the record, there's nothing that you could explain to me. I was waiting to get on this site until you were gone, but I guess I signed up too quick.
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As I said, there is no reliable statistical data on the bullets. If there IS, why don't you publish it..... say at least 1000 head of big game shot with it...... Waiting....... You will recall, regardless of you "experts" picking the flyshit from the pepper, I never said they did not work BUT their superiority or even equality to Barnes is unproven. You use them all you like, I'll stick with proven technology. Three one shot kills.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/barnes35s.jpg)
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I just love pink bullets..............
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Better get to an eye doctor if you see these as pink.....
Not only stupid but blind as well......
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Better get to an eye doctor if you see these as pink.....
Not only stupid but blind as well...... Well....according to the picture your buddy LSCE putup about you.... those look like rose colored glasses you are wearing. BTW Tom's right!!! they are pink dumbazzz.....
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What caliber are those 3 bullets and what was the approximate impact speed?
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And, according to him, this minor change that will supposedly occur in the GMX ogive is TOP SECRET, as if it's going to change the way the bullet performs on game. +1 ROFLMFAO!!!
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Better get to an eye doctor if you see these as pink.....
Not only stupid but blind as well...... Well....according to the picture your buddy LSCE putup about you.... those look like rose colored glasses you are wearing. BTW Tom's right!!! they are pink dumbazzz..... salmon
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Better get to an eye doctor if you see these as pink.....
Not only stupid but blind as well...... Well....according to the picture your buddy LSCE putup about you.... those look like rose colored glasses you are wearing. BTW Tom's right!!! they are pink dumbazzz..... salmon OK...
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On my screen they look like copper that's been burned. Must've been a hot load!
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