Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Long Range Hunting 300 grain Burgers (338)---when?

Or the very low drag extra value meal....

Nice....lets get some and do some bullet testing on some yotes.

Oh Bryan, send us Montana boyz some bullets to test out for you.

Dober

Mark, I have a fair collection of VLD's in a few calibers from 6mm to .30. What are you thinking of trying? I would be definitely interested in a little long-range varminting this winter.

I am not sure how you think the 300's are better at distance than the 250's with the speeds you said that you are getting, seems you run the numbers and it is quite the opposite, please let me know if I am missing something here.

Trajectory
Input Data
Manufacturer: Sierra Description: MatchKing� (Litz)
Caliber: 0.338 in Weight: 300.0 gr

Muzzle Velocity: 2791.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 in

Maximum PBR: 358 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 302 yd

Range of Maximum Height: 164 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 3951.3 ft�lbs
Sectional Density: 0.375 lb/in�
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (MOA) (MOA) (MOA) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft�lbs) (s) (MOA) (MOA)
0 *** *** *** *** 2791.3 2.500 5189.2 0.000 *** ***
100 1.6 1.6 0.3 0.3 2689.4 2.409 4817.1 0.109 18.4 18.4
200 -0.0 -0.0 0.7 0.7 2589.4 2.319 4465.8 0.223 18.8 18.8
300 -2.2 -2.2 1.1 1.1 2491.5 2.232 4134.5 0.341 19.1 19.1
400 -4.6 -4.6 1.4 1.4 2395.7 2.146 3822.7 0.464 19.5 19.5
500 -7.2 -7.2 1.8 1.8 2302.1 2.062 3529.6 0.592 19.9 19.9
600 -10.0 -10.0 2.2 2.2 2210.6 1.980 3254.7 0.725 20.3 20.3
700 -13.0 -13.0 2.7 2.7 2121.4 1.900 2997.3 0.863 20.7 20.7
800 -16.1 -16.1 3.1 3.1 2034.3 1.822 2756.2 1.008 21.2 21.2
900 -19.4 -19.4 3.6 3.6 1949.1 1.746 2530.3 1.158 21.6 21.6
1000 -23.0 -23.0 4.1 4.1 1865.8 1.671 2318.6 1.316 22.1 22.1
1100 -26.7 -26.7 4.6 4.6 1784.2 1.598 2120.2 1.480 22.6 22.6
1200 -30.8 -30.8 5.1 5.1 1704.2 1.526 1934.3 1.652 23.1 23.1
1300 -35.0 -35.0 5.6 5.6 1625.8 1.456 1760.4 1.833 23.7 23.7
1400 -39.6 -39.6 6.2 6.2 1549.0 1.387 1598.0 2.022 24.3 24.3
1500 -44.5 -44.5 6.8 6.8 1473.7 1.320 1446.6 2.220 24.9 24.9
1600 -49.7 -49.7 7.5 7.5 1400.3 1.254 1305.9 2.429 25.5 25.5
1700 -55.3 -55.3 8.1 8.1 1328.7 1.190 1175.9 2.650 26.2 26.2
1800 -61.3 -61.3 8.8 8.8 1259.4 1.128 1056.3 2.882 26.9 26.9
1900 -67.8 -67.8 9.6 9.6 1192.5 1.068 947.1 3.127 27.7 27.7
2000 -74.9 -74.9 10.4 10.4 1129.2 1.011 849.3 3.386 28.5 28.5

Trajectory
Input Data
Manufacturer: Sierra Description: MatchKing� (Litz)
Caliber: 0.338 in Weight: 250.0 gr

Muzzle Velocity: 3190.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 in

Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Maximum PBR: 401 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 339 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 185 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 3982.9 ft�lbs


Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (MOA) (MOA) (MOA) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft�lbs) (s) (MOA) (MOA)
0 *** *** *** *** 3190.4 2.858 5649.2 0.000 *** ***
100 1.1 1.1 0.3 0.3 3059.1 2.740 5194.0 0.096 16.1 16.1
200 -0.0 -0.0 0.7 0.7 2930.2 2.624 4765.3 0.196 16.5 16.5
300 -1.6 -1.6 1.1 1.1 2803.7 2.511 4363.0 0.301 16.9 16.9
400 -3.5 -3.5 1.4 1.4 2680.1 2.400 3986.6 0.410 17.2 17.2
500 -5.6 -5.6 1.8 1.8 2559.3 2.292 3635.4 0.525 17.6 17.6
600 -7.8 -7.8 2.3 2.3 2441.6 2.187 3308.6 0.645 18.1 18.1
700 -10.2 -10.2 2.7 2.7 2327.0 2.084 3005.3 0.771 18.5 18.5
800 -12.7 -12.7 3.2 3.2 2215.5 1.984 2724.4 0.903 19.0 19.0
900 -15.4 -15.4 3.6 3.6 2107.4 1.888 2464.9 1.042 19.5 19.5
1000 -18.4 -18.4 4.2 4.2 2002.4 1.793 2225.3 1.188 20.0 20.0
1100 -21.5 -21.5 4.7 4.7 1900.1 1.702 2003.9 1.342 20.5 20.5
1200 -24.9 -24.9 5.3 5.3 1800.4 1.613 1799.1 1.504 21.1 21.1
1300 -28.6 -28.6 5.9 5.9 1703.2 1.525 1610.0 1.675 21.7 21.7
1400 -32.5 -32.5 6.5 6.5 1608.2 1.440 1435.5 1.857 22.3 22.3
1500 -36.8 -36.8 7.2 7.2 1515.6 1.357 1274.9 2.049 23.0 23.0
1600 -41.5 -41.5 7.9 7.9 1425.4 1.277 1127.7 2.253 23.7 23.7
1700 -46.6 -46.6 8.6 8.6 1338.0 1.198 993.6 2.470 24.4 24.4
1800 -52.1 -52.1 9.4 9.4 1253.6 1.123 872.2 2.702 25.2 25.2
1900 -58.2 -58.2 10.3 10.3 1173.0 1.051 763.7 2.950 26.1 26.1
2000 -64.9 -64.9 11.2 11.2 1100.5 0.986 672.2 3.215 27.0 27.0

well, there is often whats on paper via computer and also what happens in real life.... in real life many times the heavy bullets rule while the paper print out tells differently.

Been there and done that with both and real life results are the same. Sorry to burst your bubble. Not looking for a fight, just pointing out the facts. Given the speeds in which he stated and which are close to the speeds that I have shot both at the 250's in this case will outdo the 300's.

quick glance if I read your charts right, at both 1000 and 2000 the 300 is inside the 250 for wind just barely, like I thought it should be....

I dont have my numbers handy right now but in 2004-2005 I did extensive testing with my 338Lapua Imp. This rifle was built for extreme range shooting with a 50 MOA base it is zero'd at 1000yds and I have shot it many times beyond 2000yds. At these ranges the 250gr SMK or the 250gr Scenar dont even compare, the 300gr SMK is in a league of its own and that is why so many people are excited about the 300gr Berger that has been promised for 3 or 4 years an even higher B.C.
In extreme range shooting the higher B.C. wins out over higher muzzle velocity.
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BC and bucking the wind will win out everytime in LR shooting over muzzle velocity and less drop.

I will have to eat crow on this one, I guess I consider a long poke at 1000-1200 yards and that is as far as I have shot. For many that is only the starting line and for those that are shooting the really long distance I stand corrected. For my shooting I prefer the 250's speed over the 300's BC out to a 1000 the 250 shines, which is about as far as I shoot. A MOA or two at 2000 yards does get to be a considerable distance and in the wind that is where the heavier bullet shines. I will put my foot back in my mouth and you may commence the beatings.

Even at 1000 your 250 looses to the 300 was my point. And in real life it probably looses more than the computer says.

I don't know how much you've shot, but I've personally had a period from about 89 through 2003 when I shot very close to and sometimes over 10K rounds a year, plus 22 practice and dry firing...

Nothing wrong with the 250, its a great bullet, its just not the best there is.

You have done more shooting than I have, that is for sure. I cannot argue with that. The 250's and the 300's are both great bullets, I just prefer the 250's for the added speed at the ranges I shoot. It is all good.

They don't have numbers that far off you are right there. And folks do things their own ways. Heck you still run into folks that think the most important thing is as flat as it can be... and we all know that flat isn't an issue, wind drift is the real ticket.
And having remaining energy when it gets there.
Most of the folks that have BTDT don't shoot light bullets.....for a reason.

Who needs a 300 grain 'Burger? it would take like 6 of them to make a quarter pounder, and a quarter pounder aint a very big burger.

Don't want to be a stick in the mud...But Berger let the cat out of the bag way tooooo early on this bullet. A lot of folks have just simply stopped listening about the "soon to be released berger 300". Personally, I'm still hoping for a better mouse trap with the Berger, but they really need give a time frame and stick with it.

Just my 2 cents

250's have nearly twice the wind drift at 1000 yards as do the 300's and the 300 has more remaining velocity as well

I have never shot my rifle out to a 1000 yards but I built the rifle for hunting out to 700 yards originally a few years ago. I personally don't see the need for using a 300 grain bullet because of my limitations on distance but if I were target shooting I might be apt to think more on the 300 grain bullet.

I do know that this model 70 Winchester action, Lilja stainless barrel and Hogue stock are a very good combination out to 600 yards. We have kept most shots under 5 inches, some groups have been better but this was with a very good rifleman doing the shooting. It pushes that 250 grain Accubond bullet at just a tad over 3000fps using RL-25 powder and that is not to shabby gents! I am positive it will kill anything in the form of elk, moose or deer on this planet.

I want a 375 cal 350 gr. Never been much of a 338 fan......

You don't know what your missing Pops. I have both so I know.

So did I... well a 338 Winnie so I guess that is not a "decent" vehicle for thr 300 grainer.....