Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Have the Neocons Systematically Infiltrated the Tea Party Movement?

Walking on water is not impossible either.

Twelve men once observed it happen.

Personally, I think that is a bad choice of analogies for a believer to make.

Not once, but twice and involving two individuals, the latter, admittedly, only partially successful, but successful nonetheless.

You guys must be talking about that Chris Angel illusion. More than 12 saw it though,I believe.

Let him try it from a randomly selected location from a boat in the middle of a lake. Then I'll be impressed.

Then stop calling me a NEOCON because it isn't even close to what I believe in. jorge

The key identifier is giving casual lip service to social, economic, and monetary, conservatism, so long as pursuing these in no way interferes with an aggressive foreign policy of pursuing worldwide military and political hegemony.

"lip service" Now there's a quantifiable measure of effectiveness. Your lst sentence continues to reaffirm your inability to discern the differences between the national interest and political-military hegemony for the sake of power. On more than one occassion I've expressed my opposition to nation-building, the Peace Corps and any other altruisitic endeavors that have nothing to do with geopolitics. As to the "war monger" issue it's beyond contempt. Implying that some of us like war for the hell of it or based on some tongue in cheek comments I've made regarding "glory" is ridiculous. Obviously I overestimated some folks' abilities to tell the difference. jorge

Not to get off-topic or put you on the spot, but what possible opposition could anybody have to the Peace Corps? Honestly, I don't know much about it. I've always just thought it was a bunch of folks from this country who volunteered to go to Third World locations and try to help people better themselves. I'm being neither sarcastic nor flippant when I ask if there's something I should know about them?

Here's my take on the Peace Corps and it's negative effects I personally witnessed. You have people living in abject poverty out in the bush somewhere and I've never seen such happy people, at least in Africa. Enter the Peace Corps with well intentioned motives and they tell these people how much better they can be if they get involved in the political process (by US standards which ids naive to the extreme) then they come to the realization of how poor & wretched they really are. Enter the liberals and marxists expousing class envy, and how bad us "capitalists" are and bingo you have a communist revolution and the mayhem we had thoroughout the third world during the Cold War and proxy wars. The Peace Corps is a noble endeavor, but geopolitical realities far outweighed it's benefits--in my opinion, that's all. jorge

Jorge nation building or altruisitic endeavors in foreign lands is an alternative approach that the US chose not to take. The US has mostly backed dictators with a heavy hand while Corporate America reaped the spoils. In return the populace of those countries got nothing but pizzed.

The point is that neither way is isolationism but what might the world look like if we had taken the alternative approach. I don't know.

Do we need to change our approach? Can we change?
Is it too late?

spoken like a trrue liberal democrat. You guys just hate those "evil corporations" don't you? unless of course the Unions own them and run them into the ground. We've been involved with this nation building stuff for a while now. Does Haiti, Iraq & afghanistan ring a bell? jorge

That's a point of view I've never heard about the Peace Corps. Thanks for your take on it.

you bet. jorge

Think ya got the Peace Corps mixed up with MAXUS Oil...one of those evil corporations. Same story line with bad results.

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If the Tea Party has any inteligence they will kick their ass to the curb so fast they will have bells ringing until next election.

My thought is that it's not so much a neocon, RINO, or whatever other label thing as it is a simple power trip. Those who are career politicians like their status and won't give it up easily. They are the type of leaders that run to the front of a group they see forming in order to by definition, lead it. If any of them see the Tea Party as the next big thing, they will be all out in front of it, just to feather their own nests. I see the same thing around here locally. Some nobodies have a good idea and work their asses off to implement it. Just about the time they get it pushed through, some Head Dickweasel runs to the front of their line and makes the last little push then takes complete credit for all of it. Most politicians aren't just career politicians, it's in their blood. It's how they were raised. Sometimes, it's generational. Lots of these [bleep] are worthless.

This upcoming election between McCain and JD will define the future of the GOP for the next 10 years.

So who is gonna win?