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The Muskwa-Kechika wilderness area in the Northern Rockies of BC is 6.4 million Hectors (2.2 acres) so is pretty big. All that said I see no reason why wolves need only be in valst wilderness areas. If there is prey, a few wolves is a good thing as long as they are managed.

That is what we haven't had....management

That is where the problem is.


ddj

In B.C - they are nothing but yet another species for us to hunt - same as everything else.

This is as it should be - in my opinion.

The SHOULD be here. They should - ALSO - be hunted.

B.C. is bigger than most people realize.

It's about the same size as Montana, California and New York State combined.

Most of it (except near Vancouver) very sparsely populated.

We havent had wolf management?

Really?

The USFWS, along with state agencies have been killing wolves for over 10 years.

MT and ID hunters killed a bunch this year...and portions of Idaho are still open to hunter "management" of wolves...

If you're worried about a lack of management...go buy a tag and become part of the management solution instead of continuing to part of the problem.

I'm tired of the whiners doing nothing.

Exactly why your Canadian situation is not analogous to the lower 48 .

Plus I'd guess your wolf hunting regs are quite liberal......compared to a few token tags in Idaho and Montana .

BC also has 7 times the wolves as Montana. So what's was the problem? Your token tags. Idaho has a counted population estimate of 900. Their quota was over 200. They also killed a lot of wolves for other reasons. Montana has a estimated population of 500 to 600 and our quota was 72. It filled, and the livestock predations accounted for over another 130. That's pretty good management don't you think?

Buzz -

The ultimate in mismanagement was the reintroduction of the wolves. If regulating elk populations was the driving force behind the wolf plan, hunters would have paid for tags to hunt and bring their numbers into check. It will be interesting to see what the success rates were for the hunters in Montana and Idaho after the first wolf hunts.


ddj

Mismanagement according to whom?

You know whats funny...I attended a couple dozen scoping meetings in Montana on the wolf reintroduction...I listened to the public commments, made some myself. I went home, I read the draft EA, the draft EIS...did the same with the final EIS.

I applied my comments and got involved in the process.

I also clearly remember a majority of people responding in favor of wolf reintroduction. Of course, there were people who opposed it, but maybe 1 out of 10 people objected to the reintroduction. There were a few hundred scoping meetings held in various locals across WY, MT, and ID, the same thing at all of them.

Where was everyone then??? Playing Rip-VanWinkle?

Too late to drain the swamp when you're up to your a$$ in alligators...reactive hunters whining about it NOW is doing NOTHING.

The facts are that a vast majority of the people that responded to the EA and EIS process and attended the scoping meetings were in favor of the rintroduction. Hunter complacency in getting involved isnt my problem...I was there trying to address the problems...were you?

It wasnt forced on anyone...I was there and I saw what happened, I've read the EIS, I've looked at the public comments...all 90% in favor.

...and no hunters couldnt have kept the number of elk in Yellowstone in check. It was tried for 40-50 years and despite liberal winter range hunting between Dec. 1 and Feb. 28th the elk population was at an all-time high of right around 20,000 in the Yellowstone herd. Hunters werent controlling jack...

At first glance to me it would look short .


At 5 to 600 , that would be roughly 100 packs in Montana,,,,if a pack kicks out a litter of 4 , you just doubled what the hunting season plus USF&W took out......and the wolf population goes up by another 200


yeah , in my book 72 tags is a token amount for Montana.......

At 600...they killed 1/3 of the population this year by whacking 200.

Leaving 400...likley not 100 packs with a total population of 400.

You arent going to recruit 200 new wolves this year in Montana.

This is a fact that many anti wolf reintroduction experts don't know, or refuse to take into consideration.

THE WOLF WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE WITH OR WITHOUT THE REINTRODUCTION! Might have taken about 3 or 4 more years to populate down to Wyoming, but rest assured they were coming. We are also going to have to figure out how to live with Grizzlies. They are going to be wide spread in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho within 10 years. That's without reintroducing them. At least I'll be spared the spew on the non native larger than normal beast grizzly that WS introduced. LOL

Buzz I'm not quite sure how reliable your info is on how many people favored reintroduction.I was at meetings in 5 different counties here in Idaho and you are correct in the 90% part,however it was not in favor of reintroduction.

I have to call Bullsh!t Dpole. You're saying you were out in YOUR yard and you're packing? Where do you live, San Quentin? Why you keeping heat on you, you afraid of the big bad wolf? Let me guess, you also pinch a duece on the toilet while strapped because you're afraid of Brown Trout biting you in the arse? Give me a [bleep] break already.

The best way to get rid of any game species is to let it NOT be a game species. Let the wolf be protected and eventually it will be extinct. As far as it's impact on game. I agree it takes it's toll on game animals and should be managed. Hunters will only get the stupid, young and feeble animals. Look at the coyote. The smart ones don't answer to calls and rarely are fooled by even the best trap set ups. Coyotes have been hunted, trapped and poisoned for generations. They still are far from being extinct. As far as habitat being gone for wolf populations to thrive, that's a load of BS. How do explain a pack of 12 wolves roaming the streets of Ironwood Michigan, plundering garbage cans and the local pet population. A team of "Federal Hunters" had to be called in to take care of the pack. If you think that is a load of crap well, they were recorded on a surveillance camera by a local business owner who was told that he was full of crap. They adapt like everything else. I really don't see the hang up on hunting them. Make them valuable by making them a game species. The smart and healthy will survive and the hunters will take out the weak and stupid. Just like everything else. I will say one positive on the wolf population that I can't even deny. As much as I dislike them the deer population has had one benefit. The deer I do see are healthy and big. Although my average deer sightings have gone from around 30 a day to about 5 to 8.