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Originally Posted by Vic_in_Va
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I favor the 06 for one among an arsenal of "several" rifles which might be well covered quite well by the 300. I just rarely need a rifle that heavy. If I need the power of more recoil, I step up in bore size as well.

This guy didn't stop a 190 cup and core run diagonally through at 399 yards.


But if that had been 401 yards...... grin


Then I might have needed to use a Partition to get it done. grin (Oh, that's right, Partitions are old news just like the '06 is now. wink )

Long live the old news which is still good news. laugh


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This isn't meant to be rude in any way, but if you have to ask, you better choose the .30-06, based on recoil alone. I know WAY too many guys that did the "macho" thing and bought the .300 based on 'crowd' recommendations (mostly guys that have never really hunted, but are experts).

The .300 is not a beginners caliber. It is best served in the hands of a seasoned shooters/hunters that can handle the recoil without flinching. Most guys that buy into the .300 magnum mind thinking can't hit their arse with both hands after 2-3 shots, due to severe flinching. The .300 has a very sharp recoil curve.

No animal is really going to tell the difference between the two calibers. .30-06 ammo can be had at Wallmart for $14 a box. Military ammo is even cheaper for fun and practice. You don't need premium bullets for the .30-06 either. I shoot them both and love them, but I shoot the .30-06 SOOOO much better. I don't have to think about how far away my eye is from the scope when I shoot either. I don't have to worry about uphill shots with the .30-06 to avoid getting cut. I have to really concentrate when shooting the .300 to keep from getting a magnum eyebrow. Flinch


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Flinch,

Not sure about your area but here that $14 box of rem cor-locs or the winny power points is now $23 to $27.
And that's cheap!!!! Go to the local sporting good store and you can add $10


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Originally Posted by idahoguy101
I'm thinking at 500 yds a 300 magnum shooting a 200 grain bullet is better equipment than a 30/06 with a 180 grain bullet. But ONLY if your up to the task of shooting 500 yds. I know that I wouldn't try it. Best of luck...

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I know my eyes aren't up to the task and neither are my knees for a 500 yd shot. I would rather *hunt* into 100-200 range and if I spook it, my bad. After all, that's why we call it hunting for animals instead of shooting for animals.


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Ouch, stand by for the abuse from the long range target shooters who use live targets. Seems like all of us born before 1950 have a different hunting ethic than the "I Sniper" crowd.
How about 18 paces with a c.1809 Baker British 61 caliber flintlock? Impossible, I know without a knob twiddling scope, bipod, wind meter, laser range finder, ATV and some monster Magnum.
Could have killed him with an 1873 44-40 and it is sure is neat when they are so close you can smell them.
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*OldMan* you gave me one helluva good grin. Leaving work with a smile on my face for a change. By the way, what brand of wind meter do you use wink?


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Hmm, seems I saw turrets on an NXS on oldman's recent Benneli 270 WSM thread.

Should make a heckuva 18-pace rig......grin

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Hmm, seems I saw turrets on an NXS on oldman's recent Benneli 270 WSM thread.

Should make a heckuva 18-pace rig......grin



Oooooooooh.......tough crowd...

But who deserves it more than Oldman???


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LOL

oops.... I meant Benelli.

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Originally Posted by Flinch
This isn't meant to be rude in any way, but if you have to ask, you better choose the .30-06, based on recoil alone. I know WAY too many guys that did the "macho" thing and bought the .300 based on 'crowd' recommendations (mostly guys that have never really hunted, but are experts).

The .300 is not a beginners caliber. It is best served in the hands of a seasoned shooters/hunters that can handle the recoil without flinching. Most guys that buy into the .300 magnum mind thinking can't hit their arse with both hands after 2-3 shots, due to severe flinching. The .300 has a very sharp recoil curve.

No animal is really going to tell the difference between the two calibers. .30-06 ammo can be had at Wallmart for $14 a box. Military ammo is even cheaper for fun and practice. You don't need premium bullets for the .30-06 either. I shoot them both and love them, but I shoot the .30-06 SOOOO much better. I don't have to think about how far away my eye is from the scope when I shoot either. I don't have to worry about uphill shots with the .30-06 to avoid getting cut. I have to really concentrate when shooting the .300 to keep from getting a magnum eyebrow. Flinch




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I'm i w.a. and deer and bear over lap and when a big blacky is at 350 yrs its nice to knock the stuffing out of him the brush here is very thick and 300 i have used leave them right were i shot them not saying an 06 wont. a well placed shot works with even a lesser gun than an 06 but the 300 gives me, personally a little more confidence . but for early august i use a 338win mag no deer in the mix and i really like to thump bear hard the first time just my personal more is better obsession

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I've owned and shot an old Belgium Browning in '06 since 1970 and another in .300 WM since '75. They are vastly different critters in performance depending upon the powder and bullet selection. Inside 300 yards one is as good as another, inside 100 maybe the '06 is best, but beyond 300 the magnum really shines. I suppose I like the magnum best since I can purposely take lengthy shots with assurance of a one shot kill. Those shots maybe the only ones I will get for the entire season and I would not attempt them with my '06.

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within a 500 yard limit, your optics and shooting abilities are going to be far more important than your choice of cartridge.

300 or 30-06 will do fine inside that envelope..

don't dink around with a BDC type scope, develop your load for the cartridge you choose. Call the folks at Leupold and have them build you a custom turret. couple of hundred bucks and you are in the game.

no counting clicks or using mil dots, just dial and shoot..

It's really that simple, once you learn how to shoot, estimate yardage, windage, etc...

I just put a scope on the 300 mag project I have going, i'm building a 1000 yard sporter... I should follow my own advice, i'm twisting turrets like a mad man!

good luck!

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Originally Posted by SamOlson
300WSM, it's way better than an '06.....:grin


I second that. I have 180 Partition's going 3000+ fps. I think it should be more than sufficient for Elk should I ever get to go again.

I have a friend that hunts Elk with a 300 WinMag and 150 CoreLokts. He goes every year to Colorado and comes home with meat.

My do-everything other load is the Nosler 150 E-Tip or Accubond @ 3280 fps.




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30-06. I guess the older I get the more I like the classics.

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Popcorn was good! Just because a scope has IA, doesn't meant the user is a "knob twiddler". Also because a person has a gunsafe full of all kinds of guns, doesn't dictate which one he/she MUST hunt with based on the opinions of "experts", most of whom have been hunting fewer years than the age of my "old paint"(on the left)
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Where's the the different colors? Or did you mean Palamino or Dunn?


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Originally Posted by laker
Which would you pick for deer and elk out to 450 yards? Why would you choose one over the other? Both would be shooting a 180 grain nosler accubond


30-06. I mainly like lighter weight rifles. 180 AB's would be a good choice if you like them.

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Klik,

That bull is sweet! How wide is that rack?

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JWP, you apparently know little if anything about Paint Horses so I'll help you out. Kazi Joy will be 28 next month and is a registered Paint of the color phase known as a Palomino Overo.
He has very subtle light patches that may be seen if you have any idea what to look for. Was a cutting horse in his youth and knows far more about being a good horse than I ever will about riding.
You might want to check out the horse at this site.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cedarhavenfarms.com/images/gretahd.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://cedarhavenfarms.com/greta.html&h=460&w=563&sz=141&tbnid=SaKQvQwrdkSicM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=133&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpalomino%2Bovero&hl=en&usg=__skpI8OfjryA1b-6-04sjQCMN7mU=&ei=VnCJS-vRJ4mWtgeb1OWUDw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=7&ct=image&ved=0CBIQ9QEwBg

Really not cool to try an be cool when you don't know shiet.
The other horse is a registered Quarter Horse... you want that explained as well? (GRIN)

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