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IMO, Sakos and Kimbers are over priced at $1200 - $1500. Brownings and Tikki's are also over priced at $700 - $900 for what they are.
Personally, I would by a Ruger. That is what I did.
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SAKO A7's at $1200 would be wrong but SAKO A7's at $565 seem about right.
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These new Southern made M70s oughtta be ending this debate!! The Model 70 EW rifles being had between $800-900 should be the death blow to those mentioned. Hell, I'd rather shoot and miss with a M70 or a Kimber than show up totin' a Tikka and a trophy!!! But, I'm just a good American Southern Boy!! So, .... 
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Hell, I'd rather shoot and miss with a M70 or a Kimber than show up totin' a Tikka and a trophy!!! That's just me though!! That's funny!
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Uggh, I changed it too late!
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Any low bolt lift action like the one in the A7 will be slightly harder to lift than a conventional lift bolt action.
This is because the cocking ramp has to be steeper on a low lift action to pull the firing pin cocking piece back the requisite amount.
Lower lift = steeper ramp = harder lift.
Now that A7's are the same price as Tikkas, Fishinado may be right about Tikkas future. This is generally true. However much can be done with polishing, firing pin spring, and the hardness of the bearing surfaces to affect bolt lift. Tikkas have amazingly light bolt lift for a 2 lug action. My Sako 85 is by far the hardest bolt lift of any I've owned. A lot has to do with the design. The Browning X-Bolt has the same 3 lug design as the Sakos but the bolt lift is much softer, smoother. Guess I just never fell in love with my Sakos. Perhaps you misunderstood. The Tikka, being a 2 lug bolt with a higher bolt lift should and does have a lighter lift than a 3 lug low lift SAKO. The fact is the firing pin has to move the same amount in 67 degrees as it does in 90 degrees. That means the ramp has to be steeper on the 67 degree rifle. No I didn't misunderstand...you misunderstood me. I realize a 3 lug has more to overcome in 60 deg compared to a 90deg 2 lug. I was stating not all 2 lugs are the same. A Tikka has a much easier bolt lift than other 2 lug guns like 700's etc. Also the Sako's have a harder bolt lift than other 3 lug guns like the Brownings and Weatherby(nine lug but in sections of 3). My point was there are other factors contributing to bolt lift like polish, hardness, firing pin spring etc. Smiths can even tune the cocking ramp angle to improve bolt lift.
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Hell, I'd rather shoot and miss with a M70 or a Kimber than show up totin' a Tikka and a trophy!!! But, I'm just a good American Southern Boy!! So, .... With the Kimber, you would probably get your wish.  I just realized why you like Kimbers so much, when you blow a shot, you can blame the gun.
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Just took my A7 for a snow hike. I still like it!
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Just took my A7 for a snow hike. I still like it! Did you harpoon anything with it?
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Just took my A7 for a snow hike. I still like it! Did you harpoon anything with it? As a matter of fact I did.........(grin) ![[Linked Image]](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/montanasam/sakosnowbank.jpg)
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How did you walk in that?
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Did you shoot it like that, if not, try it and send us a picture!
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Hunting the mighty field mouse eh? Looks like snowshoe country.
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If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!
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Trick photography!
That was just a drift, only about 8-12" on the level.
The A7 is a great deal at under $600.
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Starting to like my A-7 real well. I can't got around the tikka's or the new brownings. I have 5 Kimbers and they all shoot and feed. I guess I'm lucky. if Kimber would have made a 22-250 monTANA I would own it instead of the sako, but the sako is nice and alot more gun than the tikka.
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The Kimber 84M is a rifle! The other two are firearms! I loath plastic parts on a rifle! I think Browning's designers moonlight as comic book illustrators! What in the world is this???: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/selector/3-Browning-X-Bolt-Medallion-035200227-7mm-Rem-Mag.jpg) +1 I played with an X Bolt earlier today. What a train wreck! I
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I could be wrong. Handing down Brownings, Tikkas/A7s, and something nice like the Kimber could be the difference between having your kids keeping the grass cut around your grave or a cardboard box full of ashes forgotten in the tool shed! Good one CenterChurch!! I laughed out loud when I read this....................547.
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Thanks for all the advise guys. I ended up ordering a Sako A7 SS in .308 today and then ordering a Zeiss Conquest 3-9 x 40 from Cameraland to top it off. My buddy is happy that he is able to buy my Tikka from me..lol
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