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[quote=99guy] I have also seen a 8 chambered in 23-35. Have seen 81s in 300 Savage. Always thought that 81 in 300 Savage would make a dandy hunting rifel. That would be 25-35 REM and would have been the original name for the 25 Remington, the original name for the 30 Remignton was 30-30 Remington and you will find very early Model 8's stamped that way also.
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Thanks Gene. Was just about to clear that up, but you beat me to it. Randy
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The model 8 & 81 are probably the best quality and most reliable semi-auto sporting rifles ever made. As a former gunsmith, when someone brought in a semi-auto sporting rifle for repair, I just pointed to the door because I always lost money working on those POS semi-autos. Model 8 & 81 rifles almost never came in because they didn�t work, but for various other repairs. I came to admire the design and picked up a nearly pristine 81 in .300 Savage. Most people probably don't know that John Browning designed the model 8. Will there ever be another gun genius of his caliber? Doubtful
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It has the Browning Patents stamped on the gun.
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It has the Browning Patents stamped on the gun. John: I see you are "John Moses" and he was "John Moses Browning." Is that just like a really wild and scary coincidence of is there something more to the story you would like to share? Randy
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[quote=99guy] I have also seen a 8 chambered in 23-35. Have seen 81s in 300 Savage. Always thought that 81 in 300 Savage would make a dandy hunting rifel. That would be 25-35 REM and would have been the original name for the 25 Remington, the original name for the 30 Remignton was 30-30 Remington and you will find very early Model 8's stamped that way also. Thank you for the clarification.
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It has the Browning Patents stamped on the gun. John: I see you are "John Moses" and he was "John Moses Browning." Is that just like a really wild and scary coincidence of is there something more to the story you would like to share? Randy My great grand daddy was one of his illegitmate morman babies, who fell out of the wagon during the migration out west. The next day, he was found by some cowboys on a drive and lived in a saddle bag until he was 8. He got too big for the saddle bag and moved to Mississippi to become a Steamboat Captain at the age of 9. With the outbreak of WWI, he went and got one of his daddy's machine guns and killed 40,000 of the enemy, in one afternoon.. He moved back and got married and every son named his son John Moses, all the way down to me. JM
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JohnMoses,
The Winchester 1905 fired a different cartridge than the 35 Remington. It was call 351 SL, or self-loading. It was a straight-walled cartridge that looked a lot like a scaled-up 30 caliber US carbine. The 1905 rifle was a straight blowback design and is not strong enough to handle the more powerful 35 Remington round. as stated in post before yours by 260 the 1905 was not a 351 wsl (whinchester self loading) 1903 is a .22 auto loader 1905 is 32 or 35 wsl 1907 is 351 wsl 1910 is the 401 wsl 1911 is a 12ga auto loader with the nickname (widowmaker) i own and shoot all but the 1903 haven't acquired on yet
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I got shoot my uncles Winchester in 351SL for a couple months before my cousins had me ship it to them. A very fun gun, he had taken many blacktail deer with it.
I love the 35Remington cartridge, but did not really know if the 8's and 81's were reliable. Though I do know they were popular with LE, as was the Winchester too.
I saw one in 30 Remington the other day foe $500.00 Imight have bought it if it was a 35.
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It has the Browning Patents stamped on the gun. John: I see you are "John Moses" and he was "John Moses Browning." Is that just like a really wild and scary coincidence of is there something more to the story you would like to share? Randy My great grand daddy was one of his illegitmate morman babies, who fell out of the wagon during the migration out west. The next day, he was found by some cowboys on a drive and lived in a saddle bag until he was 8. He got too big for the saddle bag and moved to Mississippi to become a Steamboat Captain at the age fo 9. With the outbreak of WWI, he went and got one of his daddy's machine guns and killed 40,000 of the enemy, in one afternoon.. He moved back and got married and every son named his son John Moses, all the way down to me. JM I knew there had to be more to the story than you were tellin'
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My great grand daddy was one of his illegitmate morman babies, who fell out of the wagon during the migration out west. The next day, he was found by some cowboys on a drive and lived in a saddle bag until he was 8. He got too big for the saddle bag and moved to Mississippi to become a Steamboat Captain at the age of 9. With the outbreak of WWI, he went and got one of his daddy's machine guns and killed 40,000 of the enemy, in one afternoon.. He moved back and got married and every son named his son John Moses, all the way down to me. JM Totally tasteless, politically incorrect, and hilarious all at the same time. I like it!
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I never thought it bad to make a harmless joke about our religions or national origins. It's a pastime in the South.
I get dogged all the time for being Catholic. As long as it's in good fun and not mean spirited there is alot of good humor in those two things.
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I believe some of the police officers who ambushed Bonnie & Clyde were armed with Remington Model 8s in .35 Remington.
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here is a link for a semi auto that few knew about, i have only ever seen two of them one was at gun show, the other my son owns. https://www.msu.edu/~muell132/StandardArms.ht
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I like the Remington Model 8 a lot - I've owned four over the years - great guns - the only one I have left is one in 30 Remington. My Remington: However, I love the 1907 Winchester in 351sl - I've got two - a stock 1907 with real nice wood and a "Lebman" 1907 like Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson, Homer Van Meter used back in the day with a custom comp and a vertical forearm. I had the latter created after seeing Public Enemies movie and learning that two modifoed 1907s just like this were recovered when Dillinger was captured in Tucson AZ in January 1934 (he later escaped after being transfered back to Indiana). With factory 5 or 10 round mags these are the most reliable guns I have. My 1907s: Artsy fartsy ode to motorized bandits circa 1933-1934 with the Lebman 1907, ca. 1925 Government 45 and other accoutrements
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Those 8's and 81's look BEEFY Looks are NOT deceiving in this case. The barrel has a spring wound around it, and is covered by a sheet metal tube.
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Also, the 35 Rem Model 8s just kicked the heck out of me - I had one without a pad that would visibly bruise my shoulder every time I shot it.
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I believe some of the police officers who ambushed Bonnie & Clyde were armed with Remington Model 8s in .35 Remington. By most accounts there were 2 model 8s at the famous gunfight. Frank Hammer's 35rem and Prentis Oakley's 30rem which he borrowed from a dentist friend of his. By most accounts Prentis Oakley who was know to be an excellent marksman fired the very first shot of the "battle" straight through Clyde's brain. In fact the autopsy found a bullet hole just in front of Clyde's left ear exiting near his right ear. Wasn't much of a fight after that. The next 130 rounds were fired to make sure 95lb Bonnie didn't hurt anybody I guess. But I guess you can't blame them guys...why take a chance? Edit: Here is an interesting link, if you are interested in this kind of stuff http://texashideout.tripod.com/bc.htm
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