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open field hunting, 270, 30-06, or 7mm?

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7mm, better ballistic coefficients. Beyond that, peeling down the hairs...

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Love my /06 but they are all great..

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Peeling hairs is right....I dont think one could go wrong with any one of them. I dont think any deer could tell a difference either. Dead is Dead...


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If I was going to pick one for everything from antelope to elk at long ranges, my choice would definately be one of the 7mm Mags.

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Here's some comparative calculations. I used Barnes XLC, 24" barrels, and kept pressures under 65k for all three.

Trajectory and energy are not significantly different.



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 Gun / Ammunition : .30-06 Spring.
 Bullet   : .308, 165, BAR 'XLC' BT 30857
 Powder:  58.5 gr W760
 Pressure:  63,795 lbs-psi
 Bullet weight    : 165 grains or 10.69 grams
 Muzzle velocity  : 2973 fps
 Crosswind speed  : 10 Mph 
 Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1): 
 C1=0.496>0 fps;

 Optimum trajectory information :  Max. point blank range (P)=305 Yds. with a
 zero range set to (X)=261 Yds. and max. ordinate above LOS at range (M)=150 Yds.
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 Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 2.66 cm/100 yd. or 1.047 in/100 yd.
 Height of sight above bore axis = 5.08 cm or 2.00 inch
 Gun is zeroed-in at 200 yards, by
 sighting-in at level firing
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 Range  Velo Time of  Energy   Path    Deflection    Total  Sight correction  Target
        city  flight            to    at crosswind    drop   for setting new   lead
                                LOS    of 10.0 Mph             zero range     33 fps
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�Yards   fps     s    ft.lbs.   in.    in.     MOA     in.   Clicks     MOA     yds �
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|    0  2973  0.0000   3238    -2.0    0.0   -----     0.0   ------    -----    0.00
|   50  2888  0.0510   3055    +0.1    0.1    0.19     0.5     -0.3    -0.27    0.56
|  100  2804  0.1038   2880    +1.2    0.5    0.48     2.0     -1.2    -1.18    1.14
M  124  2765  0.1298   2800    +1.4    0.8    0.63     3.2     -1.1    -1.05    1.42
|  150  2722  0.1583   2715    +1.2    1.2    0.78     4.7     -0.8    -0.77    1.73
X  200  2642  0.2145   2557     0.0    2.2    1.07     8.5      0.0     0.00    2.35
|  250  2563  0.2723   2406    -2.5    3.5    1.35    13.6     +0.9    +0.94    2.98
P  258  2550  0.2817   2383    -3.0    3.8    1.39    14.6     +1.1    +1.10    3.08
|  300  2485  0.3316   2263    -6.2    5.1    1.62    20.0     +2.0    +1.97    3.63
|  350  2409  0.3923   2126   -11.3    6.9    1.88    27.7     +3.1    +3.08    4.29
|  400  2334  0.4554   1996   -17.9    9.1    2.17    37.0     +4.3    +4.27    4.98
|  450  2261  0.5208   1872   -26.2   11.8    2.49    47.9     +5.6    +5.55    5.70
|  500  2188  0.5886   1754   -36.2   14.8    2.83    60.5     +6.9    +6.91    6.44
|  550  2117  0.6586   1642   -48.0   18.2    3.17    75.0     +8.3    +8.33    7.20
|  600  2048  0.7306   1536   -61.7   22.0    3.51    91.3     +9.8    +9.82    7.99
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Gun / Ammunition : 7 mm Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .284, 140, BAR 'XLC' BT 28455
Bullet weight : 140 grains or 9.07 grams
Powder: 70gr RL22
Pressure: 64,734 lbs psi
Muzzle velocity : 3240 fps
Crosswind speed : 10 Mph
Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1):
C1=0.469>0 fps;

Optimum trajectory information : Max. point blank range (P)=329 Yds. with a
zero range set to (X)=282 Yds. and max. ordinate above LOS at range (M)=164 Yds.
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Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 2.66 cm/100 yd. or 1.047 in/100 yd.
Height of sight above bore axis = 5.08 cm or 2.00 inch
Gun is zeroed-in at 200 yards, by
sighting-in at level firing
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Range Velo Time of Energy Path Deflection Total Sight correction Target
city flight to at crosswind drop for setting new lead
LOS of 10.0 Mph zero range 33 fps
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�Yards fps s ft.lbs. in. in. MOA in. Clicks MOA yds �
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| 0 3240 0.0000 3263 -2.0 0.0 ----- 0.0 ------ ----- 0.00
| 50 3144 0.0471 3072 -0.1 0.1 0.28 0.4 +0.2 +0.25 0.52
| 100 3050 0.0956 2891 +0.9 0.5 0.51 1.7 -0.8 -0.82 1.05
M 129 2997 0.1243 2791 +1.0 0.9 0.63 2.9 -0.7 -0.75 1.36
| 150 2958 0.1454 2720 +0.9 1.2 0.73 4.0 -0.6 -0.59 1.59
X 200 2869 0.1967 2557 0.0 2.0 0.97 7.2 0.0 0.00 2.15
| 250 2781 0.2500 2403 -2.0 3.3 1.24 11.5 +0.8 +0.76 2.73
P 268 2749 0.2696 2349 -3.0 3.8 1.34 13.3 +1.1 +1.07 2.95
| 300 2694 0.3050 2256 -5.1 4.8 1.53 16.9 +1.6 +1.64 3.34
| 350 2610 0.3619 2117 -9.5 6.7 1.82 23.5 +2.6 +2.59 3.96
| 400 2527 0.4203 1984 -15.1 8.8 2.10 31.4 +3.6 +3.60 4.60
| 450 2445 0.4802 1858 -22.0 11.2 2.37 40.6 +4.7 +4.66 5.25
| 500 2365 0.5422 1739 -30.3 13.9 2.66 51.2 +5.8 +5.78 5.93
| 550 2287 0.6067 1625 -40.2 17.2 2.98 63.5 +7.0 +6.99 6.64
| 600 2210 0.6738 1518 -51.9 20.8 3.31 77.4 +8.3 +8.26 7.37
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 Gun / Ammunition : .270 Win.
 Bullet   : .277, 130, BAR 'XLC' BT 27754
 Bullet weight    : 130 grains or 8.42 grams
 Powder:  55 gr IMR 4350
 Pressure:  63,338 lbs psi
 Muzzle velocity  : 3141 fps
 Crosswind speed  : 10 Mph 
 Ballistic Coefficient(s) (G1): 
 C1=0.458>0 fps;

 Optimum trajectory information :  Max. point blank range (P)=318 Yds. with a
 zero range set to (X)=273 Yds. and max. ordinate above LOS at range (M)=145 Yds.
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 Sight-in clicks, 1 click = 2.66 cm/100 yd. or 1.047 in/100 yd.
 Height of sight above bore axis = 5.08 cm or 2.00 inch
 Gun is zeroed-in at 200 yards, by
 sighting-in at level firing
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 Range  Velo Time of  Energy   Path    Deflection    Total  Sight correction  Target
        city  flight            to    at crosswind    drop   for setting new   lead
                                LOS    of 10.0 Mph             zero range     33 fps
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�Yards   fps     s    ft.lbs.   in.    in.     MOA     in.   Clicks     MOA     yds �
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|    0  3141  0.0000   2846    -2.0    0.0   -----     0.0   ------    -----    0.00
|   50  3045  0.0485   2675     0.0    0.1    0.26     0.4     +0.1    +0.07    0.53
|  100  2951  0.0984   2513    +1.0    0.5    0.49     1.8     -1.0    -0.95    1.08
M  127  2901  0.1260   2429    +1.1    0.8    0.62     3.0     -0.9    -0.86    1.38
|  150  2859  0.1499   2359    +1.0    1.2    0.74     4.2     -0.7    -0.66    1.64
X  200  2770  0.2034   2213     0.0    2.2    1.04     7.7      0.0     0.00    2.22
|  250  2682  0.2587   2074    -2.2    3.5    1.34    12.3     +0.8    +0.84    2.83
P  263  2659  0.2734   2040    -3.0    3.9    1.42    13.7     +1.1    +1.07    2.99
|  300  2595  0.3158   1943    -5.6    5.1    1.64    18.1     +1.8    +1.78    3.45
|  350  2511  0.3745   1818   -10.3    7.1    1.93    25.2     +2.8    +2.80    4.10
|  400  2428  0.4347   1700   -16.2    9.3    2.21    33.5     +3.9    +3.87    4.75
|  450  2346  0.4973   1588   -23.7   11.9    2.52    43.4     +5.0    +5.03    5.44
|  500  2266  0.5625   1481   -32.8   15.0    2.86    54.9     +6.3    +6.26    6.15
|  550  2188  0.6302   1381   -43.6   18.5    3.21    68.2     +7.6    +7.58    6.89
|  600  2111  0.7003   1286   -56.3   22.4    3.56    83.3     +9.0    +8.96    7.66
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Flip a coin.... Just pick one and go. The difference between the three is so small that 95% of the shooters will never shoot well enough to see it.


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I suppose if it were elk or moose, I'd want a bit more juice/bullet weight than a .270... Then again, I've never been elk or moose hunting. Hit the beast in the right place and it probably won't know the difference.

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You cant go wrong with any of them so look around and when you find the rifle you like in one of those three calibers buy it. You will have made the right choice. I have rifles in 7mm and 270, the 7mm get used the most but thats just me. I dont own a 06 or any cartriges based off the 06.

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"I dont own a 06 or any cartriges based off the 06."

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Has this not already been worn out??

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I like the 270.

As for MOA's comment - the only part I don't like about threads like this is when members open them just to comment how tired they are of them.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> If you don't care for it, don't open it!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />


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I agree with Nebraska. This may be an old topic for alot of us, but for someone just getting into guns and/or hunting, it could be really helpful. Remember- there are no stupid questions, if it's boring to you, just ignore it.

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I have used all three a lot. You could hunt for decades with any of the three, in North America or Africa, and never be able to tell the difference, especially with today's bullets.

I travel a lot so use the '06 when doing that, as if something happens '06 ammo is available about any place you can buy ammo on the planet. This is not alwasy true for the .270 or 7mm. But aside from that they all work on anything up to moose and eland if pointed properly.

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Personally I would go with the 7 mag. But I like those belted cartridges (let's see who's panites get bundled over that comment <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />).

Seriously ... choosing the cartridge between those three, I would use the highly scientific method of .... eenie meenie miney moe .... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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30-06 if only one is going home with you. If you handload there are more components available for it, particularly bullets. There is a wider range of bullet weights readily available from around 110 or less to 220 grains or more. Its not finicky to reload, not that the others mentioned are but the '06 tends to have nicely consistant accuracy. I've heard more stories from guys with accuracy problems with the other calibers you are considering than 30-06's. That not a scientific study just my observation.

In factory ammo, it will ususally be available even at most Quick Shops and gas stations and even though the others are also common, if I had to bet the caliber I could most often find anywhere, I'd pick the '06.

Lastly no one takes issue with an '06 for most any game discussed. If you can shoot a 30-06 well, and they are easy to shoot, you are considered proficient for most any game on earth, or at least North America. It has a well deserved reputation for getting the job done.

If you want something different fine. I did when I bought my first high power and went with a 7MM Rem Mag. A fine gun but the recoil and barrel erosion are worse than an '06. Now I have a couple of 270's, too. Also fine calibers. If I were to go after elk or larger and the choice was between my 270's or an '06 (I have 4 of those) the '06 would come on that trip because of the advantage in ammo selection. That's just the way I would look at it.

There is no bad choice between these three calibers so you won't be wrong regardless of what you choose. Good luck on finding that right gun for you and good hunting!!


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Seriously ... choosing the cartridge between those three, I would use the highly scientific method of .... eenie meenie miney moe .... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Add the .280 to that mix and you'll be in the same predicament, I was in a while back. I like them all, and agree that it's splitting hairs. I chose them all. Over the years, I've added to those, which I call the big three, the 30/06, .270 and .280. Of the three, I think I choose the .280 more often than the others, can't really say why. I also added a 7mm-08 and my new favorite, the .260. They all work well, it's just nice we don't have to choose unless we want to.
If stuck and had to keep only one, I would guess, that it would be between the .260 and .280, they're awesome rounds.

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