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For Every Alex at Eurooptics or Doug at Cameraland there are a million sheisters. We should be happy these 2 men are what they are. Agreed. And the wall of shame is awesome.
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Wow. They just send out $1000s in optics and don't get payed first? I called Alex and ordered a 5X25 PMll and Alex put it in the mail the same day I oredered it. I put a check in the mail and they crossed in the mail. I bought a PMll from Matt In Virginia the same way. With those 2 your word and their word is your bond, period.
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August Schneiderheinz (210) 699-3400 11122 Wurzbach Road Suite 204 San Antonio, TX, August is an excuse artist who is always going to get back to us. He claims to be a CPA, but that sounds unlikely. Larry Mcclain 941 704 6850 8690 Erie Court Parrish, FL 34219 irismcc ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) msn.com, Larry was offended last time we talked. Very sorry Larry, pay your bills. Eric Dulay 850 459 7217 7133 Blue Indigo Cresent Winter Garden, FL 34787 ejdulay ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) yahoo.com, Eric likes nice stuff but not paying for it. Same story, call him and tell him to pay his bills. H�kon Nilsen 97979757 and work 52 70 53 70 Skjoldaveien 123 5519 HaugesundNorway hnilsen ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) gmail.com nilsenhaakon ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) hotmail.com We have many good friends and business partners in Norway. Haakon is the first person in Norway to ever not pay us. His family is from Haugesund and he has two work phone numbers: (+47) 22 68 12 46/ (+47) 41 12 27 74 Nancy Bailey , One Hour Photo 719 589 4440 Nancy and Jim Bailey 2431 Main Street Alamosa, CO 81101, Nancy owes Euro Optics for the present that she bought Jim. How nice. Dwayne Macklin 901 626 2277 5565 Hwy 64 Oakland, TN 38060 macklin04 ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) netescape.net, Owes $2650 for Schmidt Bender scope. Dan Soldano 305 296 9050 617 Angela Street Key West, FL 33040 seafan707 ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) bellsouth.net, I had a chance to personally stop by. His neighbors thought he was home but he would not come out. His house is right in the heart of Key West, so if any of you are stopping by, the white house with the pretty light blue trim is where to pick up my check for $3000. His neighbor Lucie was very nice. Zack Lewis 641 521 1601 11897 Hwy 62 East Sully, IA 50251 Zack is using some pretty nice optics that he ordered from us and has not paid for since May or 2006. He lives with his brother Greg and you can give them a call at home also if you like. +1-641-594-4362 Jeff Glance - Work: 303.872.2055 7108 S Alton Way Centennial, CO 80121 Jeff has decided to keep three scopes that we loaned him for evaluation in April 2005. "Hello Jeff, loan means that you return them or buy them" Update: Jeff now works for Prime Time Communications, Headquarters: 188 Inverness Drive West Suite 305 Englewood, CO 80112 He is reported to be the VP of Technology but we really know Jeff is just a dead beat that does not pay his bills. Cindy Schrecengost (830) 966-4250 13550 Ranch Road N 187 Utopia, TX 78884 hatefeebay ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) yahoo.com, Cindy ordered some very nice binoculars for her customers to use at their ranch. If you visit Ghost Ranch or Montana Rocosa Ranch in Texas you may get to use them. Rob Morris 817 308 6399 4723 Fruitland Road Sunset, TX 76270 rmatdm ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) hotmail.com, Rob is the kind of guy who demands immediate service because he believes he is an important customer. Well, we did too until he never paid for the only thing that he ever ordered form us. Enjoy the Nightforce scope that you never paid for Rob. By the way, I think everybody who reads this ought to call and tell Rob how important he really is. Zak Ward 801 381 0019 1267 cedar Hollow Blvd Lehi, UT 84043 ward2697 ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) msn.com, Sometimes it is not good enough to give a guy the best price, treat him like a friend, and be patient. Zak has owed us $1640 since September 2007. Update: Zak has moved into a much larger home so it looks like his life is going well. Several customers have contacted him in person to collect for us and have told us that his wife, sister, and father are surprised that he does not pay his bills. No surprise here Zak. Craig Shaber 619-562-0044 2063 N MARSHALL AVE EL CAJON, CA 92020 ucanemailmoi ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) aol.com, Craig loves it when you call him early in the morning. I say blow his phone off the hook until he pays for the AICS upgrade we sent him for his rifle. Olic Jiri +421903772773 Spitalska 59 81108 Bratislava Slovak Republic olic ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) avionax.sk Olic thinks that none of our customers in the Slovak Republic know him. Think again Olic. JEFFREY DIXON 252-536-3200 x 413 ROANOKE VALLEY ENERGY 290 POWER PLACE RD WELDON , NC 27890, thecrusader ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) charter.net Jeff is a dirt bag who does not pay his bills. If you see him at the power plant, tell him what we think of him. Robert Doyle 786 243 0296 Homestead Guns and Ammo 15 SE 2nd Drive Homestead, FL 33030, hsgunsandammo ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) bellsouth.net If you shop at Mr Doyles store ask him for a really big discount. His profit will still be enormous since he gets his stuff for free. Pay your bills Bob! Mike Sease 1212 Ranchette Road West Palm Beach, FL 33415 Mark Elpers 620 727 6685 4811 N E 150th Ave Cheney, KS 67025 mark ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) outdoor-connection.com, Mark must have thought that we sponsored him at Outdoor Connections. Wake up mark, we sold your gear to you and that means you gotta pay us for it. Randy Smith 509-389-0357 9237 N Coursier Lane Spokane, WA 99208 randy_w_smith ![](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/images/graphic_ampersand.gif) msn.com, On the surface Randy does not seem like a dirtbag who does not pay his bills. Unfortunately he is. slg888 I just bought my first scope for Mr.Roy last week.I had spent some time on his websight and found the Non paying customers page as well. This goes back to the old benchrest days.You order the product.The product shows up and you pay for it after you get it.Thats the way the oldtimers do business.Its the way Mr. Roy still does business.Half to wonder whats going through these peoples heads.Not much I guess. dave
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Whenever possible I try to give my business to folks like that, and confirm their trust of their customers by paying promptly.
It's refreshing to be able to do so.
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You buy an optic from him he sends it to you. If you like it he will bill you if not send it back.
While I admire that type of customer service, I'm amazed that anyone continues to do business that way. I still do business that way....no deposit or money upfront when job is done and customer is fully satisfied they pay....don't have a problem getting stiffed by home owners it's more of a problem with commercial jobs and contractors,and that isn't very common either. I can appreciate what you're saying, but my comments were geared toward someone in the mail order business that sends out product without payment in hand first.
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Dave7mm,
What is going through there head is 0. They do not respect themselves or others. To buy something from a person with no intentions to pay them takes a person with no Consciousness.
I call them pole-smokers.
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I don't know about anyone else, but this seems more like an advertisement for people to order a scope with no intention of paying for it in the first place. I think I would be a bit more prudent about what information I leaked if I was losing that much money...
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I don't know about anyone else, but this seems more like an advertisement for people to order a scope with no intention of paying for it in the first place. I think I would be a bit more prudent about what information I leaked if I was losing that much money... I disagree, I have been in business for years and received my share of bad checks and excuses from customer's after the job/sale was completed. I had to resort with small claims court, but if I did have an internet sales business, YOU DAMN RIGHT I WOULD POST THERE NAME! Sharpnel, dealers try to be careful, but these con-artist are always coming up with new plans to [bleep] someone. Its what they do and there getting better & better at it!
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your word and their word is your bond, period. +1 dave
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I have sold lots of stuff, no where near as much as these people, but lots, and with few exceptions have been paid first. If I was the deadbeat these people are in not paying, this would be just the type of place I would prey on to get something for nothing.
Disagree or not, this is a red flag attraction to people that want to screw others out of their merchandise.
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Diagree or not, this is a red flag atraction to people that want to screw others out of their merchandise. Diagree or not,people who order something and dont pay for it, are walking talking Ps-O-S. I sure would not want to buy anything from them say in the classifieds of this or any other message board. dave
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Sure glad to see that there are no people from MN on that list!
Really nice that folks like Alex at eurooptic still have confidence that the VAST majority of people are fair and trustworthy. I feel the exact same way and am only very rarely disappointed.
So who is gonna start calling these losers?
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When I get home from work, I am going to call Euro and see if they want to hire a collector. There is enough money on the line, I think they could pay someone to start collecting.
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Collecting like an organized "crime collector"?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Sounds like fun doesn't it?
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You buy an optic from him he sends it to you. If you like it he will bill you if not send it back.
While I admire that type of customer service, I'm amazed that anyone continues to do business that way. I still do business that way....no deposit or money upfront when job is done and customer is fully satisfied they pay....don't have a problem getting stiffed by home owners it's more of a problem with commercial jobs and contractors,and that isn't very common either. I can appreciate what you're saying, but my comments were geared toward someone in the mail order business that sends out product without payment in hand first. Once my product and service are installed in someone's home I have a tough time getting money if the customer decides not to pay. Going to court for a judgement or filing a lien isn't cost effective and time consuming.Many people have been screwed and burned by bad contractors and it puts them at ease not having to pay till product and services are rendered to their satisfaction....just good business practice to deliver what you promise before being paid JMHO
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Unfortunately, there are people that feel they have been screwed or wronged in some way or just imagine they have that use non payment as a way of getting even. The construction trade is among the worse. I have been in court, when employed by GE & Westinghouse, with attorneys collecting delinquent accounts from $100,000 to over $1 million. Even with excellent attorneys & every thing in writing many times the settlement was about 50%.
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When I get home from work, I am going to call Euro and see if they want to hire a collector. There is enough money on the line, I think they could pay someone to start collecting. If you need any help I have some good ol' boy friends in Louisiana that would love to take these people "swimming".
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Diagree or not, this is a red flag atraction to people that want to screw others out of their merchandise. Diagree or not,people who order something and dont pay for it, are walking talking Ps-O-S. I sure would not want to buy anything from them say in the classifieds of this or any other message board. dave Agreed.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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