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im thinking of building a new gun for elk out to 700ish yards. im thinking 338 ultra. give me some ideas and what bullet you would use.
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300 SMK and or the 250 Accubond, or 200 NBT
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I likewise will second that 250 grain Accubond bullet! I shoots well in my .338/300Ultra wildcat. I have heard others had good luck using the 225 grain at over 400 yards on bull elk, so it should work out just fine in that respect down range.
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For 700ish yards nothing beats the 300 SMK for wind drift. This bullet is amazing and must be shot to be full appreciated as a long range hammer. Not my first choice for an up close bullet, but as the range increases there is nothing at the present that is even close to the 300 SMK. The BC is .768
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I am using 225 grain Accubonds out of my 338RUM, I couldn't find any 250 grain ABs we will see how they work?!?!?!?!?
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There is nothing wrong with a good .338 bullet but in my opinion 700 yards is not that far. I think you can get by with a with a 300 mag of some sort (win,weatherby or ultra) and good 180 grain or 200 grain bullet.
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I am using 225 grain Accubonds out of my 338RUM, I couldn't find any 250 grain ABs we will see how they work?!?!?!?!? The BC is not much higher for the 250 AB than the 225 AB and the velocity is a good bit higher for the 225. I think that Noseler missed the boat by not making the 250 in a higher BC format
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is their any other rifles that you think would be a good long range elk rifle besides a 338 ultra? What up grades would you do to it?
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A plain old 300 Win will get it done with ease. A Tikka or Sako would be perfect with a high quality optic.
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I run the .338 Ultra Maxx and the .338 Allen. Here is a list of some of the best long range elk hammers all of them shooting the 300 SMK, Quote taken from Kirby Allen. Just to get back on topic. I believe the question was what is the fastest 338 out there. Well, to compare all the different chamberings, we need to use a standard which would be the same bullet in all with the same length barrels so lets do that. Lets say 30" barrel length in all, even the 408 CT based wildcats. This does put the really large 338s at a disadvantage but all things will be equal.
These are velocity tests from rifles I have built in each chambering, all using #8 contour Lilja 1-10 twist, SS fluted barrels. Velocity is an average of 5 shot string in 50-60 degree temps
338 RUM............................2745 fps
338 Edge...........................2865 fps
338 Lapua.........................2870 fps
338 Ultra Maxx...................2945 fps
338 Kahn............................3004 fps
338 Allen Xpress................3010 fps
338 Allen Magnum..............3315 fps **
** Just wanted to make the point to make this clear that these velocities are from a 30" barrel, not my standard 33-35" lengths. Just so we do not get confused that 3315 fps is the max velocity in a 338 AM.
Would also like to add that these are examples of one rifle per caliber using Lilja barrels and they tend to run a bit lower in velocity because the bore diameters tend to be a bit tighter then average.
But with same bullets and same barrel lengths, you at least have some idea the difference in velocity.
Maybe some day I will be able to do this list with the new Wildcat bullets but not yet. No hints yet on the new owners as its not solidly set in stone that the sell will go through so out of respect for the potential owners and Richard, I will not say anything until its a done deal.
I will however say it would be a US based company if the current interested group gets it and in my opinion, they would do a very good job making bullets. Hopefully for both parties and all of us, it goes through soon.
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Not with the same authority as the big 338 at the longer ranges
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For 700ish yards nothing beats the 300 SMK for wind drift. This bullet is amazing and must be shot to be full appreciated as a long range hammer. Not my first choice for an up close bullet, but as the range increases there is nothing at the present that is even close to the 300 SMK. The BC is .768
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/300grbullets001.jpg) Dont forget Lapua's 300 grain Scenar. With a BC of .785 it has to be rated right up there. Both of these bullets shoot extremely well in my .338LM. Sierra's 300gr SMK on the left and Lapua's 300gr Scenar on the right..
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The expansion of the 3000 SMK on game at long range and its terminal performance is well documented. Not so with the Scenar, in fact a poster on LRH.com tested Scenar and could not get them to expand infact the Scenar shot a hole through his AR-500 steel target
It is more than just BC when it comes to hunting and the 300 SMK has been used sucessfully for decades
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I knew that was coming.....
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I have personally used both the Sierra 300gr SMK and the Lapua 300gr Scenar on elk at ranges alot further than 700 yards and have not noticed a difference in the terminal effects of the two...
For a distance of 700 and in as stated by the OP a 300 RUM, 300 WSM and even the 308 can be used effectively as long as the driver doesn't take shots out of his/her paygrade...
I've used all 3 mentioned above out to 1k and beyond without a problem or a lost animal... Shot placement is key...
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Thank You EHG...stated by a man who has killed more elk than most of us will ever see dead or alive and that includes the nature channel...
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338 lapua mag! It should work!
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Barnes has released a new 285gn TSX bullet that is 1.792 inches long. It stands quite impressive against a 200gn .308 accubond.
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300 SMK with a 338 Lapua is pretty cool.
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