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I seriously doubt that unless you are talking about shooting people inside an automoble. I've seen a few Bad Guys put down by the old .38 Special Super-Vel load. None of them survivied.
While it probably does loose some of it's energy penetrating clothing, etc., it's far better than the standard loads with any kind of 158 gr. bullet. You can, for instance, rely on it to shoot through a leather jacket, something that can be relied on to stop the standard 158 gr. loads. E I'm refering to the old 158 gr., standard velocity loads used by many PD's for years. Clocking 870 fps., even from a 6 inch gun, a heavy leather jacket, such as used by typical motor cycle cops to protect from "road rash" injuries when they went down, would, in fact, do that.
I've known, quite well a few guys that actually had them work. No, I didn't see the actual shooting, if that's what you want to know.
One of these guys insisted on wearing his old LAPD jacket in spite it's not being an offical uniform item. He finally got threatend with a suspension for wearing his. So he did, reluctantly, give it up. E Little did I know that I have owned a Bullet proof vest for Years..
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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If that's the case so have I.I never knew while riding my bike I was protecting myself from road rash as well as bullets,hahahaha
That's the funniest thing I have ever heard.
"How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live"
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so 870fps or less in 158gr .357 and your leather jacket will do the deed?
I'm gonna have to church up my security six loads a little, I guess......
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Nope, turned it in when I retired.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
Old cat turd!
"Some men just need killing." ~ Clay Allison.
I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me
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Do we have any volunteers for a test? I triple dog dare ya!
"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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i think Eremicus should demenstrate it for us, don't you?
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Is suede bulletproof too? If it is then I have not one, but TWO bulletproof jackets! I must be special. 
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I guess my old Navy pea coat should be good for stopping .45's then too!
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz
"Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
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Based on that info, I have bullet proof shoes and boots.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
- Albert Einstein
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Don't forget your belt, for that small but vital gap between your road rash jacket and your chaps! LOL!
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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This is a very funny set of posts coming from a guy that swears up and down that both the .38 Special and the 9mm are worthless as street rounds. I've tried to present some examples of the limits some of these loads have and all you can do is claim this is not possibly so even though you've never, apparently, tested this for yourself.
But, if that's what you have to do to get some humor in your life, be my guest. E
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But, if that's what you have to do to get some humor in your life, be my guest. E
I'm not so sure he needed your invitation....
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I just want to make sure he knows he's not hurting my feelings by having a little fun with this. E
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Would you be willing to wear the leather jacket while we tested the ability of a 158 38 special to penetrate through the jacket?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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If E will send me his leather jacket, I'll throw it over a post and shoot it with a 2" J Frame with some 158 grain round nose lead bullets on top of 2.8 grains of Bullseye.
They ought to be slow enough to bounce off.
- Tom
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Thats funny. I have a real bullet proof vest and still don't want be shot with a 22 rimfire much less a 158 gain bullet.
I guess E should tell that to Jim Cirillo I think he killed a couple guys with that very load.
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i shot through a 3/4 plywood wall and through two frigges and the bullet stuck in the back of the third with a winchester win clean 130gr or 158gr i cant remember... just in case any one has a refrigerator attacking them.
let me give you boys a lil' tip. you might wanna turn off that engine 'fore you go and change that there fan belt!
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sometimes....
why do you ask?
That which does not kill us makes us stronger
Friedrich Nietzsche
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The best way to be bullet proof is to shoot first, shoot fast, and shoot more accurately . . . . . that way the bullets from the other guy are inconsequential. 
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23)
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I guess after having seen photos of a PD shooting my old agency had when a 110gr .38 failed to break the maxilla and were sticking out of the skin....balisticly nothing suprises me anymore but the trouble is it is not always consisent.
Hunt hard, kill clean, waste nothing and offer no apologies.
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