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Why does Remington insist on putting a pressure point at the end of barrel channels?
Without exception every Remington I have had shoots better floated.
Maybe they put it there, cause its easier to remove then to put one in. Don't know.
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Beause its easier to mass produce a rifle stock with a pressure point then one that is properly floated.


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Doesn't Ruger do the same thing?

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Originally Posted by Grumulkin
Doesn't Ruger do the same thing?


Yes.

I just go ahead and sand out the "lump" in the barrel channel on both make rifles and shoot them. Get excellent accuracy too.


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Strange, I leave 'em in and get excellent accuracy. In fact, I sometimes add a thin shim between the pressure point and the barrel.
Considering how much HARDER it is to leave the pressure point in as opposed to reaming it straight out from the receiver to the end of the barrel, it must be there for a reason don'tcha think.
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Most rifle manufacturers design stocks that provide upward pressure to stiffen lightweight barrels, and it usually works out for the best. It's always best to experiment with your bedding to see what works best on YOUR particular rifle.

I've found that "lightweight" barrels usually do shoot better with about 8 pounds upward pressure. However, the action needs to be bedded properly first, and the front pad needs to fit the barrel perfectly.

I like to give each barrel a try free floated as a benchmark for accuracy testing later with a tightly fitted front pad.

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Interesting stuff..Ive always left it alone and had good results with Remingtons until I got a Model 7 CDL in .22-250


I tried every load etc I could think of( this rifle has a really light Bbl...) to no avail..

I was at my wits end so I asked our very own JB here if I should relieve that pressure point..

" You havent done that yet?" was his answer shocked

I guess theres a reason hes the expert.... grin

It shoots fine free floated, no problemo... wink

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Went to the range with my Alaskan Ti I had got a few months ago. With some handloads that shot sub moa in a previous browning I had (130 gr. bt's). It shot right at 1.5 inches 3 shot group.
Brought the rifle home cleaned it, relieved the pressure point went back to the range right at .5 inch 3 shot group. Go figure, I guess that makes me a bubba, with that kind of accuracy, I will accept that moniker.:)

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Originally Posted by stillbeeman
Strange, I leave 'em in and get excellent accuracy. In fact, I sometimes add a thin shim between the pressure point and the barrel.
Considering how much HARDER it is to leave the pressure point in as opposed to reaming it straight out from the receiver to the end of the barrel, it must be there for a reason don'tcha think.
"Course what do the Remington engineers know compared to Bubba.


J-locks were there for a reason too, don'tcha think.....

Per stock making, it's my bet you don't know much, but that's your right.

Ever try floating one just to see?

Putting a pressure point back isn't rocket science......

Had a couple myself that shot pretty good with a pressure point, but by far, removing it makes 'em shoot better.


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I want the pressure points and won't remove them.

They work for me, especially with light mountain rifles.

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Free floated and action bedded my Mark X Mauser 257 Roberts years ago and groups opened up to 2" or so, glued in a piece of red rubber gasket material and they shrank back down to sub moa with about everything I've fed it for last 35 years.


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every rifle? Wonder if the Light Tactical Rifle has such a pressure point?

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Good point...come to think of it, I don't think they have the presure point. Also Ive had a Sendero and a Varmint Synthetic ( both with H-S Precision stocks) and they were free floated from the factory....


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Originally Posted by wildswalker
Originally Posted by stillbeeman
Strange, I leave 'em in and get excellent accuracy. In fact, I sometimes add a thin shim between the pressure point and the barrel.
Considering how much HARDER it is to leave the pressure point in as opposed to reaming it straight out from the receiver to the end of the barrel, it must be there for a reason don'tcha think.
"Course what do the Remington engineers know compared to Bubba.


J-locks were there for a reason too, don'tcha think.....

Per stock making, it's my bet you don't know much, but that's your right.

Ever try floating one just to see?

Putting a pressure point back isn't rocket science......

Had a couple myself that shot pretty good with a pressure point, but by far, removing it makes 'em shoot better.


Am I a stock maker? No. Do I know how to make a Remington shoot to it's potential? Yes.
It's good to hear these examples of one but I'm talking about probably up to 50 Remingtons. BTW, it isn't rocket science to put a couple of shims on the action screws between the action and the stock to "free float" it without hogging out the pressure point. You are, in effect, pillar bedding the rifle. Sometimes you have to add a shim between the barrel and the pressure point to get the proper up pressure.


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Originally Posted by stillbeeman
BTW, it isn't rocket science to put a couple of shims on the action screws between the action and the stock to "free float" it without hogging out the pressure point. You are, in effect, pillar bedding the rifle.


Well hell, guess it's time to pitch out the bedding compound, stock tools, and all that proven technique.

There's a much easier way, and all any Bubba needs is some tin foil and bubble gum wrappers.....


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A couple years/winters ago Shane gave me a PM lesson on stock bedding. Sent pics and explained things.

I have a tupperware ADL in 270WCF that shoots an honest consistent .5-1MOA out 400 yards after a bed/float job.

I wasn't shooting tweaked loads in it prior(factory went around 1.5MOA) so can't comment on improvement. All I know is it shoots now!

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I've never seen a float/bed make one shoot worse.....


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Originally Posted by stillbeeman
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Originally Posted by stillbeeman
Strange, I leave 'em in and get excellent accuracy. In fact, I sometimes add a thin shim between the pressure point and the barrel.
Considering how much HARDER it is to leave the pressure point in as opposed to reaming it straight out from the receiver to the end of the barrel, it must be there for a reason don'tcha think.
"Course what do the Remington engineers know compared to Bubba.


J-locks were there for a reason too, don'tcha think.....

Per stock making, it's my bet you don't know much, but that's your right.

Ever try floating one just to see?

Putting a pressure point back isn't rocket science......

Had a couple myself that shot pretty good with a pressure point, but by far, removing it makes 'em shoot better.


Am I a stock maker? No. Do I know how to make a Remington shoot to it's potential? Yes.
It's good to hear these examples of one but I'm talking about probably up to 50 Remingtons. BTW, it isn't rocket science to put a couple of shims on the action screws between the action and the stock to "free float" it without hogging out the pressure point. You are, in effect, pillar bedding the rifle. Sometimes you have to add a shim between the barrel and the pressure point to get the proper up pressure.



Wow, you mean all you need to pillar bed a rifle is a few shims? Amazing what can be learned here at the fire...

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I've seen floating a barrel make a rifle shoot worse,especially in light contour mountain rifle barrels.It just depends on the rifle.Usually on regular sporter contours and heavy barrels I bed up to 2 inches ahead of recoil lug and float the rest.Pencil thin barrels I will experiment with the amount of pressure on the barrel.

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the range manager's wife's Model 700 was shooting groups of 3 to 4 inches at 100 yds... I free floated the barrel and that bought it down to 3/4 inch groups...


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