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I see these reduced loads for Blue Dot all over the forum. I've YET to see any PRESSURE numbers. Where are the pressure numbers?
I'm not going to load any reduced Blue Dot until I see some. This story about "it is safe in my rifle" just means to me that the rifle in question didn't blow up.
Where are you guys that are using Blue Dot in rifle cartridges getting your information, please?
Any writers have any pressure readings from the Alliant people?
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Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
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Higbean, your ignorance is showing when you say that.
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I just call them like I see them.
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How strange Higbean. I've been on this board for longer time than you and have never had anyone say such a thing.
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I've popped a primer using bluedot in a 223. I don't have any pressure barrels but I know I got lucky. I do keep a lot of bluedot on hand. It is a very handy powder. I just take it easier now.
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I've shot quite a few 168gr Nosler J4s in my 308 over 17gr Unique. Fun plinker and surprisingly accurate to several hundred yards. QL calc'd pressure, 40-45K lbs psi velocity, 1900 fps load density, 54% in Win brass Very soft shooting, and the primers are very rounded. Here's a Blue Dot calc for 40s in the 223,
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 40, Hornady V-MAX BT 22241
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch or 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant BLUE DOT
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-41.7 35 7.00 1974 346 10552 2262 93.1 1.841
-37.5 37 7.50 2088 387 11877 2434 95.1 1.736
-33.3 40 8.00 2197 429 13297 2597 96.7 1.645
-29.2 42 8.50 2302 470 14816 2749 98.0 1.566
-25.0 44 9.00 2402 513 16436 2891 99.0 1.496
-20.8 47 9.50 2499 555 18163 3019 99.6 1.434
-16.7 49 10.00 2592 597 19998 3134 99.9 1.377
-12.5 52 10.50 2680 638 21946 3236 100.0 1.326
-08.3 54 11.00 2766 679 24010 3333 100.0 1.279
-04.2 57 11.50 2847 720 26195 3429 100.0 1.236
+00.0 59 12.00 2926 760 28504 3525 100.0 1.197
+04.2 62 12.50 3002 800 30941 3618 100.0 1.160
+08.3 64 13.00 3075 840 33513 3711 100.0 1.126
+12.5 67 13.50 3147 879 36223 3802 100.0 1.094
+16.7 69 14.00 3216 919 39077 3891 100.0 1.060
+20.8 72 14.50 3283 958 42081 3979 100.0 1.028
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Blue dot loads always stir controversy. Thus the troll post. Didn't mean to come off as a dick, but the truth is, your post and the way it was worded is stirring the pot.
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Higbean, I'm sorry you took it that way.
I'm not stirring the pot. I ask a simple question and now that some answers are coming in I'm pleased to know the information.
I forgive you.
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I see these reduced loads for Blue Dot all over the forum. I've YET to see any PRESSURE numbers. Where are the pressure numbers?
I'm not going to load any reduced Blue Dot until I see some. This story about "it is safe in my rifle" just means to me that the rifle in question didn't blow up.
Where are you guys that are using Blue Dot in rifle cartridges getting your information, please?
Any writers have any pressure readings from the Alliant people? Seafire is the one that has this whole mess brewing, he believes that you can use SQUIBLOAD's of Blue Dot in anything from 22Hornet to 50 BMG and naked girl's will be knocking at your door
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Rogue, do you remember that amount of BD that you were using that was too hot a load?
Montana Marine...
Thank you for the information. It looks like we are getting somewhere on the use of BD.
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Seafire is the one that has this whole mess brewing, he believes that you can use SQUIBLOAD's of Blue Dot in anything from 22Hornet to 50 BMG and naked girl's will be knocking at your door [/quote]
And there it is. 10 pages.
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I have used some of Seafire's load suggstions for Blue Dot in 30-06 and found them entirely safe, LOW in recoil, and pretty accurate for training my wife to hunt moose and deer. If you want a heavier load, use a different powder. No-one is saying B.D. is universal, just that it is effective as a training/reduced recoil load.
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Seafire is the one that has this whole mess brewing, he believes that you can use SQUIBLOAD's of Blue Dot in anything from 22Hornet to 50 BMG and naked girl's will be knocking at your door [/quote]
and this was shoved down WHOSE Throat?
From someone I don't even know... yet thinks he has the right to flame me.. for me trying and sharing something from experience.. when I bet he has ZERO experience with it to condemn or Praise it..
another arm chair ballistician with an opinion...
since Montana Marine posted a chart derived from Quick Load ( which I myself don't necessarily trust however, it verifies what I list as max load for a 50 grainer at 14.5 grains in the 223 being in the low 40K CUP range, and a long way from max pressure in a 223)..
however, point out where you think a Squib Load would exist at with the MVs posted???
my apologies to other forum members for being on my soap box...
I post data with Blue Dot at the request of other forum members.... I don't get paid to do it.. I share, with other shooters, the info for free that I spent a lot of time working up and developing...so I know where the safe parameters are...
and personally I am getting sick of getting flamed by some YoYo that hasn't tried it.. acting like he has some infinite knowledge that the rest of us are not privileged to....
any handloader knows to work up a load, so these were worked up...
if you don't want to use it, then just pass the thread by...and buy factory ammo....
instead of coming in and spreading your negative 2 cents, on a subject you have NO experience with...and then being pompous enough to flame the person who does have the hands on experience...and being gracious enough to share it with those who ask...
and to quote Forest Gump: that's all I have to say about that...
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I've been watching that thread in Varment Reloading for a year now, I remain amazed that some folks never seem to have looked at the Lyman manuals with their reduced loads of pistol powders in rifle cartridges.
(PS: I've not tried BD yet but I've burned quite a bit of Unique and SR4759 in rifles)
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Credit for the idea doesn't go to me.. it goes to Calhoon bullets as I first read about it on their web site and tried it, it worked real well.. and then I just expanded on it...
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I noticed the header says 40 grain Vmax, not 50 grain bullets.
Any way to post the data w/o having to scroll so I can print it, please? It may be the screen size I have that makes it not fully pasted.
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Yeah Allen, I noticed that Montana Marine had it listed as a 50gr but had the print out saying 40 grain V Max...
just for the record, for my own use, I use 14.5 grains as max for my 40 grain bullets and 14 grains as max for my 50 grain bullet loads..
anytime I have seen quickload ran on these, what I list as max, has always been in the 40 to 45K CUP ranges... well below what is the cartridges are rated for... and right in line with the old Mauser 93/95 limitations...
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Seafire, good catch. The data was calc'd with a 40gr bullet.
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Thanks Shane, and thanks for posting the chart..
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