I posted this inquiry on the Varmint Hunting forum as well. I ran across some Winchester 37 grain Super-Speed (hollowpoints) at a gunshop last week. I am thinking of buying a box (100 rounds for $7.25) and giving them a try. I am not familiar with these bullets but do use (and have for a long time) the 40 grain Power-Points in three of my highly accurate heavy barrel 22 L.R. bolt action Varminters. These 40 grain bullets are, highly accurate in my Rifles and VERY lethal on Varmints - so in my slower rate of fire 22's I can AFFORD to shoot them! I don't dare try these "expensive" 40 grainers (or the 37 grainers!) in my high volume 10/22's. The 40 grain Power-Points are advertised at 1,280 F.P.S. and these new (well they are new to me and the shop owner said they were "new") 37 grain Super-Speed hollow-points are advertised at 1,330 F.P.S. I am thinking I could use another 50 F.P.S. (and maybe the flatter trajectory over the ranges I normally shoot Varmints at?) and I could use another option on Ground Squirrels and smaller Varmints. Does anyone out there have any experience with these "new" Winchester Super-Speed 37 grain hollowpoints? Lethality on small Varmints? Accuracy? Etc? Thanks in advance. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
I guess I don't really see what all the commotion is about...
The Super Speed 36g HP loads are the same basic 22LR HP loads Winchester has been selling for years. They are no cheaper than 40g Power points anyplace I have looked. The cheapest either load an be bought online is about $30 per brick of 500.
Also, I don't see how either Winchester load is any better than CCI Mini Mag HPs or CCI Velocitors or several other brands of HP loads. I would shoot whichever load shot best in my rifles and was Cheapest/easiest top get.
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The Super Speed is not the "same basic 22lr load".I put some over the chronograph this weekend. The Super Speeds ran at 1340 fps out of a 22" Clark Custom barrel.The Silver box 50 ct. 36 grain Winchester load did 1180 fps.
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222Sako: Thank you very much for the data and your time. Pardon my slow reply as I got called out to the west coast about 10 days ago and did not have computer access all that time. I will be shooting the 37 grainers for accuracy and lethality here ASAP - and I will add that info soon. Your chrono speeds illustrate a decided differnece! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
160 FPS at the muzzle equals how much difference at 50 to 100 yards?
Not much.
Actually, shoot those 1,340 "Wonder loads" from Winchester against 40g Power points at 1,250+ or CCI Velocitors which have a 40g HP at 1,400FPS +.
The Super speed loads are simply not worth getting all wound up about,IMHO.
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I just bought a box of CCI Stinger Hyperspeed rated at 1640 fps 40 gr PHP to try in a 22 cal S&W 61-3 Escort that I just installed a new recoil spring on, but was instead thinking about trying them in my CZ 453 American paper/varmint rifle with set trigger adjusted to about 10 oz to see how they would do at 50 & 100 yards.
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I just bought a box of CCI Stinger Hyperspeed rated at 1640 fps 40 gr PHP to try in a 22 cal S&W 61-3 Escort that I just installed a new recoil spring on, but was instead thinking about trying them in my CZ 453 American paper/varmint rifle with set trigger adjusted to about 10 oz to see how they would do at 50 & 100 yards.
CCI Stingers are loaded with 32g bullets. They have been loaded that way all of the 32 + years they have been on the market.
The light bullet is explosive up close, but past 50 yards the heavier 36 and 40g slugs overtake it ballistically.
Many guns don't shoot them very well ,either.
They are pretty wicked "can openers" up close, though.
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They do open cans real good, but other than that I've never found any use for Stingers......particularly if you intend to eat anything you shoot with them.
I remember when the Stinger was first introduced in the 70's and thought they'd be just the thing.....shooting flatter and all (I had a bad case of faster-is-always-better in those days).
Bought the first box I saw and although they were not particularly accurate....they would stay within minute-of-squirrel head at 25 yards, so I loaded up and headed to the woods the next morning. That was the last hunt I ever made with Stingers!!
First squirrel I shot dropped like he'd been hit with lightning, but when I went to pick him up something was wrong. HE HAD NO HEAD!!!
Figured it was a fluke......but no, every squirrel was decapitated by the Stingers and if you placed a shot just a bit far back.....you ended up with two half-squirrels and nothing for the pot.
I clearly remember a stray dog (about 50 pounds) that was raiding the chicken house ad got caught by my father. He shot that dog 4 times in the shoulder and the dog just yelped and continued running. Three days later we ran across the still living, but very sick dog and finished the job with a shotgun. He had nasty looking wounds that were some 3 inches across and festering all over his shoulder, but only an inch or so deep......none of the Stingers had penetrated inside.
In those days the occational deer would sometimes step in front of a bullet when we were "target shooting" so Stingers were definitely NOT the bullet we wanted for anything larger than a rabbit. The rest of that box of Stingers was used up on targets and various other targets but never again for any type of hunting (they even failed sometimes on an animal as small as an armadillo).
Stingers and all other hyper-velosity .22LR rounds are, to me, solving a "problem" that doesn't exist. The .22LR will never be a long range round.....that job is best left to the .22 Mag. or centerfire rounds.
For my use the LR is primarily a hunting round and the hyper-velosity loads are a very poor choice in that use. My experience with Stingers is also why I have not yet (and probably never will) owned any of the newer .17 caliber rimfire rounds. They are "almost" as useful as rat shot......too limitedin what they do well.
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I have some of the older WW Superspeeds here, they were 34 grains at "Hyper Velocity"
I found them in my late brother's stash of various .22 stuff he had lying around when he passed away.
Dunno what speed they were, I lost interest when they shot like crap in all of his rimfires, and mine, too. I still have some of them sitting around, don't currently have a .22 boltgun to shoot them in, and I won't shoot them in my autoloaders. They shot like crap in his KM77/22AW.
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I just bought a box of CCI Stinger Hyperspeed rated at 1640 fps 40 gr PHP to try in a 22 cal S&W 61-3 Escort that I just installed a new recoil spring on, but was instead thinking about trying them in my CZ 453 American paper/varmint rifle with set trigger adjusted to about 10 oz to see how they would do at 50 & 100 yards.
I can't believe that you would ever even consider shooting these in your 61 Escort!! You'll be changing out a lot of recoil springs and maybe even worse! Why would you do this in such a short barrel pistol anyway??
What are you thinking man?!
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