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Actually, it keeps them from being considered for many jobs, which likely makes them stay on unemployment for a lot longer.

Toke up all you want if you want to chance the legal consequence, just not while receiving a .gov handout for not having a job. Making yourself unemployable, while collecting benefits should be curtailed.

Most businesses require drug testing now, and you should maintain yourself in a state to be available to work to be eligible for unemployment insurance. If you can't pass a drug test, you may not be able to get off unemployment. That's a rationale I can see, anyway.

Political posturing for Oral Hatch; nothing more, nothing less.

He knows it will go nowhere, and is electioneering to the highest degree possible.

Yup.

Get some of those professional politico's out of there and better legislation may be the result. Or we'll send different ones up next time.

I'd like to see Medicaid (especially expectant mothers and those with young eligible children) and Disability welfare recips under the same scrutiny.

you peopel don't get it.... as long as there is a handout there is no incentive to work. Keep paying 99 weeks of unemployment benefits people will not look for week until the 100th week.


ML

I don't really care who does the testing,just so it gets done.
I have no problem with this.

Kinda like Plainsman on this!It should be done by someone. Lightman

I'm not sure if I agree with testing those on unemployment since that is a temporary thing and usually caused by events beyond one's control. But welfare recipients? Yeah, long overdue and should have been in place when the program started.




Some of us are.

I do... Where in the Constitution does it give this particular power to the Feds?

That's the problem... YOU and millions of other idiotic Americans don't have a problem with the Federal government chipping away at our freedoms... It's f*cking sickening... Read the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!

Considering that the "gimme" programs aren't listed in the Constitution either, perhaps just cut back to the source, do away with those, and thus negate the need/want/call for drug testing.

Wait... sorry.... that makes too much damned sense.

Hey, it's early and pre-coffee....

Ain't anybody saying the government should say you shouldn't light up, just we won't send a check if you do. I got no problem with it. I have a problem with most of the free checks anyway. miles

I agree with testing for welfare, medicaid, foodstamps, other free social services.

Unemployment is an insurance already paid for by you when you worked. It's like Social security, workmans comp, that the employer has paid into and considered part of your overall payment package when employed. As an employer it costs your wage + 1/2 your SS payment + your share of unemployment insurance + workman's comp, usually around 25% above your wage. An employer would be happy to pay you that 25% instead of sending it in, that's what it costs anyway.

Unemployment is not a freebe and you can't collect long enough to get back your premiums from a life time of work.

Kent

Now of we could only get drug testing for members of congress.

I agree. Welfare is mooching off of the people of the country, I'm all for drug testing requirements if you want a freebie.

Drawing unemployment is collecting that which you yourself have paid into a fund, the government isn't giving you anything except your own money back. On top of that, you don't have any option to opt out of paying for the unemployment insurance, it's mandatory even though many will never get a dime back out of it. I might say okay on the drug testing requirement if paying the insurance were voluntary, but it's not, the money is taken from you whether you want to be part of the insurance pool or not. I'm pretty sure most would come out better financially over the long haul if they were allowed to keep that 1.45% of their paycheck every month in exchange for not being able to draw unemployment benefits.

Drug test welfare receipients all you want, but requiring that for unemployment is BS.

sorry but I call BS on that premise


my employees pay .5% of their wages, currently I pay 1.58% into that same fund


we don't have drug testing (nobody could afford a haircut if we did, grin)

but my point is, employers pay the majority of UE insurance, for an individual to make themselves unemployable by drug use, is effectively ripping off the employer.

The problem with all drug testing is that the guy who shoots heroin, smokes meth, drops acid, and snorts cocaine could easily not get caught by a drug screen due to these drugs clearing out of the body quickly.
The habitual abuser of the legal drug, alcohol, is far more dangerous to himself and those around him than the guy who smokes a joint now and then IMO.

agreed with that premise


but if you're collecting unemployment you should be prepared to go to work imo. Up to and including a job that does drug testing.