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That high country early season blacktail hunting looks a lot like alpine Colorado summer time. And it would be a helluva good time I am thinking.

Nope.

It's more fun than that...................(grin)

My experience as well,




Yep,

Recount your best High-X count victim and how it went down................

Calvin- NICE buck! Congrats!

Here we go again.. you folks is gettin off topic..... binocs are for hunting, and locating a target... tahts a seperate topic. Personally I'd rather forget the rifle than the binocs..... without binocs and a spotter at times... its all a walk in the park praying for luck.

Back to somewhat the original topic..

Jon talked about "precious seconds". In my experience, the last thing I'd want if I only had "precious seconds" would be a high X scope. Might just be because I'm an idiot, but it takes me more than a few precious seconds to locate what I'm looking for with high x's.

Nobody said anything about an observation device of a hillside. If seeing the critter well enough to count the points and decide not to shoot worries you, it's a mental issue of your own making. If you're afraid of the boogie man under your bed I can't help you with that either.

Nobody said anything about "finding" the animal with a scope. That you need to make things up in order to confuse safety issues into the mix to justify the handicap you place on yourself with equipment choices, speaks volumes about you.

Whether you're an idiot or not, if you're unable to quickly find an animal in a scope then you simply wouldn't have gotten some of the bucks I have gotten. Maybe all your hunting experience involves a bunch of deer standing there on a hillside for you to stare at all day long. I see that a lot too but most of the time it's does and little bucks. The big fellas have gotten that way by learning not to do that.

Here on bear, just under 600, scope set on 12x. Dink down and wasn't just standing there waiting for me to shoot him.



I totally agree with your use of bins but when I pick up the rifle after spotting the bear with bins I personally need the higher X to track them in thick brush that is taller than they are. They are moving through it and I find them hard to find with a lower X scope. Now you see them now you don't and I have but a few seconds to connect. Just me bud but that's what works for me.
I don't have 20 year old eyes anymore if that has anything to do with it. My eyes take longer to focus and higher x helps that.

Shot a pretty good Buck for The Boys last year,(on the move)at a CH over 650yds. Montucky 7Whizzum/162 6x42.

I'd reckon that as being comfortably under 70% of that glass's resolving power.

Saw him in bino's first...............(grin)

Idiots with loaded rifles,never don't not concern me.............

It's obvious your and my style of hunting differs. My goal is to read wind and cover to get a good look at areas I think might hold bucks, without being detected. I know that if I don't play the wind correctly, silhouette myself, or even just move across the wrong area, I will blow out mature bucks. Getting a good look at deer without them even having the faintest clue that I am there is what I aim to do. Blowing out a deer and having precious seconds to toss the scope up and pull the trigger isn't really what I want to do.

I sit on my deck and watch bears and bucks through my spotter on the mountain behind my house all the time. One of my favorite things to do, early in the AM with a cup of coffee. I've seen bears haul ass with no apparent reason. They'll cover lots of ground, and usually don't stop for much. Mountain deer are a completely different story. They'll stay in the areas, slowing feeding. Now, if you expose yourself, I'm sure they'll haul ass too..

Not being able to find something quickly with higher X in glass, IMHO is a lot due to bad stock fit.. if the stock fits you and you use both eyes, your one eye is burning a hole in the target as you bring the gun up.. as soon as you can see through the glass, the target will be right there.... doesn't matter much to me if I'm looking at high X or 6x. Of course I practice with 6x a lot swinging on doves in flight.

Staying with a moving target at 600 yards plus.. isn't difficult, still being able to realize which buck it is as a few of them move out of sight for minutes at time and then back into sight... that requires binoc use and good timing... or if you are sure of what you want, then it takes something to verify its the same buck when it comes back out... given multiple seconds to shoot, thats a no brainer.. check with binocs.... given a fleeting second, tehre is no way in hell you'll tell at 650 yards the difference between the 12 inch wide illegal 8 point and the legal 14 inch wide 8 point. Difference between the spike and the big old buck... yeah, a child could do that.

Right at the bottom of the barrel there and on a few counts.............(grin)

Making more stuff up to support your point, I see. I never said anything about "blowing out a deer" and having to "toss up the scope." You must be thinking of E when he speaks of his requirement for a very large eyebox which makes his Leupold 6X42 the greatest scope evAr.

Maybe you've never seen a herd of mule deer "on the move" (there can be many reasons for it)? Maybe you've never seen a couple whitetail bucks sparing? Maybe you've never seen a whitetail buck stuck to a doe in heat who thinks she needs to be somewhere else? Maybe you've never seen deer leaving cover to go feed on the other side of a hill or the other side of a fence as darkness approaches? Maybe there are never any other hunters where you hunt so you can literally count on anything you see being there all day long? Boy, that must make things tough.

If every critter you've ever gotten allows you to put down your pack, get out a spotting scope, set up the spotting scope.... please do tell me how much you bribe the guards at the zoo. There are times this is the case and in those times a spotting scope is a wonderful tool to have. There are other times when it's not.

If you require a spotting scope to kill an animal that is within killing range, some animals will get away from you. You have placed a handicap on yourself. That's your choice.

Of course "killing range" can mean different things. You do realize this is the long range section, right? You are basing your statement on experience taking animals 400+, 500+, etc, right?

If not, WTF are you doing here telling us what scopes we should use? If "within killing range" means within 250-300 yds or so, yeah, a 6X will probably do you just fine. Double, triple, quadruple the range and do you might have a clue why most here use higher powered scopes.



Tell me how well you could read the wind here with a 6X scope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB_Sxgp5Ook

How well do you think you'd see that mirage through a 6X scope? Do the think the wind where you're standing is exactly the same speed as the wind all the way to the target? Do you think you would have picked up that subtle change? Do you think you can be sure the wind won't change in the time it takes to move from the spotting scope to the rifle?

Please explain how NOT BEING ABLE TO read that wind through your scope and requiring a spotting scope to read what it used to be is somehow an "advantage."

Almost as much as idiots with rifles and keyboards concern me.

How exactly would you have judged that wind, funny schtick? You are the resident LR expert here (and all the other tactical boards you've been kicked off of) after all. Tell us your technique?

How do you read the wind through your 6X scope? After you've gotten the wind read, how do you compensate? You often run an elevation turret only and only use simple duplex reticles, right? So how do you compensate? What's you're expert technique?

Guesstimate hold off in "inches." Fantastic! Do tell us where exactly you would have held to make those shots.

Humble us with your expertise.

This is getting kinda funny..

At your expense, shortranger.