More than a year ago, I purchase an Remington 700 adl youth in 7mm-08 for my boy. After 4 diferent kinds of factory ammo and 4 different powders with accubonds, partiions, interbonds and tsx bullets, the best this rifle will shoot is 21/2" to 4" groups. Yes, the scope is a known entity properly attched, and the shots were spaced out 6 minutes apart, and oh yeah, I had the trigger lightened to break crisply at 3.5lbs. So I call Remington's customer service and am told that they won't even touch the rifle because if it shoots any groups<3", it is within factory specs for accuracy! Although my own rifles are predominantly weatherby and sako, I have owned a half dozen 700s over the years and all could be made to shoot at least into 11/2". With this kind of service, and the BS about that being adequate accuracy you can bet it will the last remington. What's the point of "the most accurate out of the box rifle" that doesn't shoot any better than this? Well, I guess the local gunsmith has got to make a living too. I'll have him start with bedding the action and looking at the crown. Is this new for big green or was it just my turn for a lemon? If I'd had any clue of the cost and aggravation factor, I'd have just bought the boy a Tikka. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
that's awful accuracy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> that rifle is destined to be a donor action. probably needs some action work and a new barrel, I bet it would shoot alright then. a shame that you were stuck with it.
Sure seems it is hit and miss with Big Green. I picked up a couple Model 7 Mags both in 7Saum the price was right and one was destined to be a 6.5x7Saum. Lucky I decided to scope both up and shoot before the donor was sent off. Rifle A will put just about all the factory ammo into 11/2� and three handloads I found so far �-1�. Rifle B would not hold 2-3� with anything and a couple of the factories loads were worse. I guess it is a Monday or Wednesday or Friday build thing. But I must say their quality has really gone south. In this case not such a bad thing as one was destined for an experiment. But it is still the point of quality control that bothers me. By the way when the smith I have build my rifles locally called he mentioned that it was arguably the worst barrel he has seen on a factory rifle in a long time. DougD
Wow, your results are the exact opposite of ours. I hate to admit it, but I covet my son's 700 ADL Youth in 7mm-08. If yours is box stock and you want to deep discount it to relieve your conscience that you are dumping it off on someone, please shoot me a PM. Ours generally has been consistent with just about everything we have shot. When my son wanted to go deer hunting last year, I light loaded some Nosler 140 grain ballistic tips to a MV of 2400. (We did screw on a take off full size wood stock because my son ougrew the plastic.) My son's first two shots at 100, with a 25 year old 2x7 Redfield Widefield scope not adjusted, were touching. His next 3 shots after dial-in went, by my calculation, 1.32." I couldn't believe it so I said "give me that thing" and got 3 shot group about 1/4 that size. I am attaching the pictures of the 3 groups. Please excuse my photography, and if I have the group sizes off by a couple of hundreths, oh well. I don't have accurate notes of groups using factory 140's, but they still were much better than the groups you are getting. I am working up full house TSX's right now, but haven't had a chance to test them.
I can't figure out how to post 3 pictures in one post, so here are his first 2.
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It's always a crapshoot with a factory gun. However, somethimes they just are fussy about what they like. I once has a Sendero in 300 Win that would shoot the factory ammo it liked into 1/2 to 3/4" groups, but the factory stuff it didn't like would go into 4"..............
Yep, and Winnie is just as bad as Sucks for their "accuracy guarantee." Unfortunately, I've heard the same "it ain't broke if it's within 3"" about Ruger and Savage as well.
Kinda puts that 1 1/2" guarantee and factory target from Weatherby in a whole new perspective, doesn't it? I mean, if Weatherby is going to offer - and back up - this kind of accuracy from even the entry-level Vanguard combos (rifle, Bushie scope, mounted and at least bore-sighted, with hard case for less than $500), why go with any of the rest for the $$$?
outta the box 300 Win. savage 110 package gun with [bleep] simmons 3x9 scope. outta the box has put 3 shots touchin each other at a 100 yards consistantly with store bought 180 grain cor-lokts. its ugly, and its accurate
My most accurate out of the box rifle was a Remington. Of course it is a M40XBBR bench rest gun in 6X47. I liked that rifle because it was so accurate I could test components with it, and measure the effect.
The most accurte hunting rifle is a Ruger #1 in 6mm Rem made in '76. I once averaged all the groups I had shot with that rifle, and the average was .75", including all the groups fired testing loads (good and bad). It really shoots well for the loads it likes, and shoots anything into an inch.
I quit buying Remingtons over the Walker trigger fail to fire issue. Too many good rifles out there.
Factory ammunition now is as good as the handloads I was doing 25 years ago. Remington should have better standards than 3". A 3" standard is factory rifles and ammo with iron sights from 30 years ago.
jim
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Tikka and sako rifles must shoot 1" groups before being sold according to the Beretta website.As far as 700's are concerned,I have owned several and developed loads for about a dozen more and all shot groups less than 1-1/2" with most doing 1" or better.
I have yet to own a Remington rifle that would not shoot 1�" or better with a load it liked, and I've owned a potfull of them since they debuted in '63. Recent acquisitions include a 223VLS, a 30-06SSDM, a 8x57 "Classic", a 300 Savage "Classic" These are all rifles that consistently shoot under 1" The VLS is an honest �MOA rifle with a couple of loads. Now, I'm not saying they don't turn out a few "duds"! Every manufacturer [including Weatherby, Sako and Tikka] does. I believe that some of the older 700's had an edge when it came to quality overall, but Big Green is still turning out some very accurate rifles. For every vocal statement regarding lousy accuracy, I'll bet there are 100 silent shooters owning accurate rifles that have been purchased, and this includes many manufacturers. FWIW, I would not be happy with a 3" group average, and would whine until I got some results. Regards, Eagleye.
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Sorry to read that you boy's ADL won't shoot worth a darn. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
I've heard from other hunters/shooters that Big Green has an "attitude" problem. And their way of getting out of "responsibility" is going to lose customers for them in the long run. But that doesn't solve your problem.
My bestest hunting buddy has an older Rem. 700 BDL in .30/06 that has shot 1� inch, 5-shot groups at TWO HUNDRED YARDS... or .75 minutes of angle... with FACTORY LOADS! (Unbelieveable!!!)
That said, I recommended (2 years ago) and my Godson bought a new Tikka Whitetail Hunter Deluxe with the roll-over comb... and it is not only a very BEAUTIFUL rife, it shoots into less than one inch at 100 yards! Once I begin handloading for him, I'm sure we can improve upon that record. But right now, he is away at college and doesn't have time for such enjoyable hobbies.
My friend... "life" is too short to put up with ornery, poor-shooting rifles. The few hundred dollars you spend for your son's NEW rifle will be well worth the happiness in his demeanor when he shoots his first less-than-an-inch, 5-shot group with his new Tikka.
'Nuff said?
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I have 7 M600s and 700s in the safe right now made from the mid 60s to just last year...there is not a one that shoots OVER MOA. Just sold a M700 V .223 to a friend that runs .25 MOA. A few weeks ago he shot an honest one hole 3 shot group with Federal American Eagle HPs. The only way you could tell there were three rounds through the hole was skid marks at about 6 and 8 o'clock in the original hole. The LTR I bought to replace the 700V is a .308 and is running .4 with factory loads and .3 with handloads. I've had probably 5 other 700s and none, once settled in, shot over MOA. A friend just bought a M673 in .350 RM that runs MOA or better. Sorry to hear that your gun isn't doing all that well but overall I think a Remington out of the box will generally do better than anything else out of the box....Bob
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Cheyenne---the boy can definitely outshoot his Uncle Steve. My son's Model 7 .223 youth is a tackdriver with only a trigger job for tuning. Most Remmys I've had would beat 1 1/2' with minimal tuning and good factory ammo.
One 700 in .22-250 wouldn't go less than 2 in with anything, which made it kind of useless as a walk around varmint rifle, but I fixed it.....all it took was lopping 3 inches off the barrel, target crown, rebore to 7-08, install tupperware stock and full length glass bed job. Now it's just fine. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Rossi, I am in agreement with you. The Howa 1500, or the Weatherby Vanguard are very accurate rifles for production rifles. They also look nice, with a good finish to them. I have been extreamly impressed with my Vanguard 257 wby.
