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I've had 3 of the Leupold BR models dump on me.One right in the middle of a match at Kelbys.In my day it was and still is,the Tucker conversion.


Then theres always Lowlight.



I wouldn't call that Brand Hatred.
More like a statment of fact.
I personally dont care for 20 to 1 odds that im going to have a problem.

dave

Is it time to start posting nekked chicks yet?

FC

Yes.

I have spent alot of time comparing optics. I work in medical optics...


I have owned all the major euro brands and.or tested them against "inferior" brands. one thing i have noticed is good mid-priced jap stuff can hang easily with euro stuff, where you might see differences is field of view or sharpness to the edge or color bias but none of these will usually prevent you from seeing one animal with the euro and not with the jap stuff. Same with rifle scopes, the euromight technically be built more rugged and it might not be but you cant tell from looking outside. ALl we can do is look through and they both work well....so other factors come into play...

With optics for me, its the sum of the whole package, not just the "brightness."

I like my swaorvski 7x42's because of eye relief, ergonomics, optics (brightness, sweet spot, flare control, eyecups, colors), depth of field, warranty and service, etc... I spend alot of time looking through binos and they have to "fit" me comfortably and be eays to look through for hours. These are for me. THere are some that are "brighter", some that have FL glass, some that are lighter, but for me its the sum of all parts.

Same with rifle scopes. I have owned and tested all of them.

I look for eye relief, lack of tunnel effect, reticle subtension and design, brightness ,flare control, etc..... range of adjustment isnt that important to me, and weight isnt overly important to me. I have settle on the conquest 3-9x40 wit h#4 reticle as being the best combination of all the above for me. It might not have an illuminated reticle or rainguard coatings but it works and is plenty bright enough for legal work.
I liek leupolds but I do not like the duplex and i prefer the bolder, blacker etched zeiss reticle but thats just me.

point is, buy what works for you and who cares what the magazines say

Now that the VX3's have a new "twin bias spring erector system", does this mean the Leupold problem with the erector spring has gone away? Also, do the Mark 4's have the new twin springs?

Mike Rattigan states that no manufacturer out there makes scopes that reliably hold zero to within an eighth of a minute. Moreover, no manufacturer really cares. The benchrest community is not big enough to influence scope companies. Benchrest is a game where the top 20 targets can be a tenth of an inch apart in group size. The scope can easily account for being in the top ten or not.

The top twenty benchrest competitors in the United States are listed along with the equipment they use. 18 of them use Leupold scopes, and 2 use Sightrons. Leupolds are always shown with Tucker Conversions and Sightrons with reticles pinned with two nylon screws right through the sides of the scope. These guys are all gunsmiths and are all trying to build a better mousetrap. I believe them.

Hopefully, but it's too early to tell.

yes all scopes fail at some point, how many rounds that they fail at is the question. Funny thing about the older leupolds I have an old 2x7 friction. Its going after many thousands of rounds now on a spring air rifle!

Atta boy Dave. Never miss a chance to bash Leupold with some grossly distorted quotes taken out of context.
Your first post here about the so called discussion between Leupold's people is most telling.
The truth is that all scopes will fail under certain conditions. Whack one hard enough and it will shift zero. Spin the dials often enough and, sooner or later, all of them will skip or fail to track to some degree. Send enough rounds through a rifle with one on it and all of them fail to hold zero sooner or later.
That's why the military snipers are constantly checking the zero of their rifles. Sooner of later, they all quit working as they should. E

Thats Banta poo doo and you know it.
Leupolds made there bed, now they can lie in it.
You know E.You might try thanking me.
It it wasn't for guys like me pointing out just how far behind loopie is.
Your favorite scope might not even have multi coated glass in it yet.
Just sayen...


dave

Sir Springer, it sounds like you have a simple case of 'buyers remorse'.

There are scopes for $20 that look like scopes for $2000 and the way we tell the difference is brands.

With so much profit to be had by exploiting a brand name, is bound to happen.

I have had a Leupold Mark IV not respond to a counter clockwise adjustment to windage until a couple shots later.

I have never had VX1, VX2, VX3, vari-X-II, or vari-X-iii pull that kind of crap.

LOL!

Well, not too bad. Wasn't really knocking Leupolds, good scopes for sure. But then so are Bushnell Elites.

Mostly I just lost my head to marketing.

Oh, well. I'm sure that at least one or two, looking upon my rifles at the range or out in the woods, now probably think, "Hey, Leupold! This guy must be pretty serious about this!" That's worth at least somethin', eh!