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Whelen, correct, yes, yes, and yes! I like Brunettes (7-08) and rarer Redheads (260), but was married to a blonde for 11 years.......but I got bored They ALL worked. Is the Redhead a Blonde? Nope, but they both get the job done! Or they CAN I should say. Same for Brunettes. Chuck, no doubt larger cal typically = larger wound channel, which is why when I go over 7mm, I want a 338 diameter personally. 300s are fine rounds, more than I need for how I hunt, but nothing wrong with what they do if you shoot one well. I have no doubt I can shoot a gun like a 300 fine for a few shots, but would never be able to get to the range and shoot extended sessions and enjoy myself, which is why I like the Redhead! Peepsight, read a comment yesterday on another board, it went something like this: Cartridges have more IN COMMON than apart.
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Agreed.
Taken in individual increments, and one step at a time, the 243, 260, 7mm-08, and 308 are very close. But to step from 243 to 308, and to expect the 243 to do the elk thing a 308 does with 180 Partitions is streching too far.
A 260 and a 270 are miles apart when loaded to equal pressure because of the greater capacity for progressive powder in the 270.
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Also, load each to 60K psi in modern rifles and see what happens.
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The 260 and `06 are loaded to 60K psi, you`d cut the 270s throat loading it down to that level
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I consider a 7mm-08 a more effecient 270,,,, darn near the same performance with less powder and kick so splain to me how the 7-08 with the same velocity, and bullet weight in the same weight rifle "kicks" less than the .270win? It's the law of physics - I don't exactly understand it but it's true. It has to do with powder burned, bore size, and bullet dia.
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The advantage of the 260 and 7/08 is that they can be had in short actons. Makes for a more compact launching pad.
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We're not talking rifles here, but cartridge performance.
Loaded to equal pressures, the larger case ALWAYS wins. Period.
You can delude yourself out of wannabe, recoil, bolt throw, economics, or whatever, but the more square inches of bore and case contact with the chamber, the higher the velocity potential with equal pressure. Or has Neutonian physics changed because someone hyped a crock of baloney?
Maybe we should all revisit Hatcher's Notebook!!
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Pposey, just a question... with the three Glocks that you own, how could you possibly still have that problem with cat infestation?!
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I have to say though..
A few years ago I bought some factory 150's for my 7-08 to shoot out of my Rem Ti.. It kicked like a mule with those loads..! Give me a 120 in a Lwt 7-08.
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Nothing you shoot with any of the three will ever know the difference. Have killed Antelope and Deer with all three at ranges from 70 to 350 yards. They all died after one properly placed shot. Aside from the short action non issue, the 6.5x55 will beat the 260 and the 7x57 the 7mm08 and the 270 WCF all of them. More powder equals more power .... a rule never violated.
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Just shoot the .270--its been on the block alot longer than the other kids, and earned its braggin rights all over the world. " If it ain't broke,,don't fix it"
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Nothing you shoot with any of the three will ever know the difference. Have killed Antelope and Deer with all three at ranges from 70 to 350 yards. They all died after one properly placed shot. Aside from the short action non issue, the 6.5x55 will beat the 260 and the 7x57 the 7mm08 and the 270 WCF all of them. More powder equals more power .... a rule never violated. Aha! Sanity without prejudice. Sure, we all have a favorite cartridge, but wishful thinking doesn't make it's performance equal to one with greater powder capacity. Try to remember that recoil, bolt throw, economy, availability, and and the like are not the topic here. Wayne
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Sanity? That's Oldman1942 posting under a new name..
Not anywhere close to being sane, and I'm sure she'll be run off for the third (or more) time here real soon.
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SO, assuming these numbers are a fair comparison, is there anything that a 270 might do that a 260 would not do Have ammo for sale in a gas station. Sycamore
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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With the internet, who needs to buy ammo in a gas station?
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Actually, BossLady is NOT oldman1942. I know this partly because she bought a couple scopes from me, and sent a check to pay for them.
Her opinion on this thread is just about exactly mine as well--except I might also add that the miniscule differences between the three rounds mostly serve to create extra-long threads on the Campfire, just like any other comparison of miniscule differences between rounds.
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With the internet, who needs to buy ammo in a gas station? Same folks that need to ask on the internet which caliber they should buy. Sycamore
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If you want a cartridge with a small reserve of velocity for long shots, the 270 is the choice. The 7-08 is pretty close though, as is the 260.
At the end of the day, it's about the rifleman, not the cartridge.
Comparisons are mostly for the internet (the new hot stove) crowd... the guys out actually doing it could care less.
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Pposey, just a question... with the three Glocks that you own, how could you possibly still have that problem with cat infestation?! Their my "barn" cats,,, I hate mice and rats and live in the woods,,, the cats hardly eat any cat food all summer long but never get skinny,,,, and I'll take the brunette,,,, with the 7mm-08,,,,,,
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PPOSEY, I typically say I am a brunette fan, but when you get nice redheads don't come by often, when you find one that's NOT tempermental....as most can be....well, they are unique. Having shot ALL three rounds, the 260 I enjoy the most, and I shoot and hunt for fun. It's a subtle difference, but for me I will take it. Before the 260 came out, I had a 6.5-308 Win done by Pac-Nor as I viewed it conceptually as about 'just right' for MY kind of shooting, yet realize it's not for everyone, and not ideal for their needs. Huffman, someday I will get around to trying a 6.5/284, and would have but consider bbl life, again I LIKE to shoot. My past few years seen many many rounds of 7mm BR in a Pac-Nor built rifle none the less. It was my MOST fun rifle, easy on the ears, shoulder, killed deer fine, and one could spot their own hits/misses downrange thru the scope. Same for a few 6mm BRs. Stepping up the 243 is so similar to the BRs in recoil, and ME, that I want a little more to see a good difference, hence the 260 and 6.5x55. When I shoot them, they just seem 'right.' I will get around to a 250, an AI if I have one built, or I could 'pretend' and get a 257 in say a Kimber, but I have many 6mm and 6.5 bullets to shoot, and it's easier right now to keep it simple. Huffman, send me your 6.5/284 for any test firing you need done I DO like the round itself, AND it fits a SA.
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