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Anybody use this stuff? It's the cheapest made-with-brass .223 that I can find in these parts. Thanks!

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JohnL, shot a couple of boxes last fri in my DPMS. Right on 1/2 at 100yds. Very good groups for the price. Ron

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Excellent stuff in both of my AR's! Anytime I go into Wally world (which is not that often!!!), I pick up a couple of boxes just to have around.

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Basically nothing wrong with the ammo. The projectile is another story. If its the 55fmj that I suspect you are talking about, thats the downfall. I find it hard to believe that they could produce consistent half inch 100 yard groups in any rifle. The bullet is just not up to it. But for general ammo to have around for cheap you can't go wrong.

If looking for bulk and you can find FNM headstamped ammo you'll be pleased with cost and accuracy there. Should be on the same lines as the white box and reloadable.

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Thanks Guys,

I picked up 5 boxes to burn at the range this weekend.

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Is this WalMart branded white box?

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Is this WalMart branded whit box 223?

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It's actually Winchester brand 223 sold at Walmart for $7.58 per 40 rounds. Not as cheap as buying 1000 round in bulk but not bad.


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I have shot it a bunch in the VLS I used to have, it would consistently shoot sub MOA in that rifle and is plenty accurate with the irons on my AR.

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Are ya'll real? I"ll have to go buy some Win ball ammo and retry it. 3inches or less at 300 yards is not all thea easy to come by with match grade projectiles, much less with FMJ projectiles. Though I may be a bit more picky than most.

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I wasn't implying that I shot matches with it!! Just plinking ammo in the AR!!

I shoot 69 gr SMK's at the 300 yrd line..

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Just curios. MOA implies at all distances where as an inch at 100 is more specific. If it did shoot sub moa at 300 I'd happily shoot it in matches all day long.

The reason I was asking is we had a lot of ball FNM ammo that would you could shoot a 97+ with at 300 all day long if centered. It was cheap to practice cadence and position with.

Make sure those 69s are smoking- or else give heavier bullets at try at 300. 300 can make or break the match and IMHO is the most important yet uncontrollable factor in the match. (other than being capable of a 200 standing......)

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Is this Winchester USA ammo??? Bill T.

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This is about the most complete price list for .223 ammo. It's constantly updated. billt
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=222888

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I shot some of the Winchester ammo through my chrono, it shoots 2830 fps from my 16 inch M4 barrel, not bad for plinking ammo, but if you want serious ammo and your gun is chambered for it try some Federal xm193 5.56 ammo <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> that will put the smile on your face at 3100 fps. Don't shoot 5.56 in a .223 barrel the pressure would go way up.

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Don't shoot 5.56 in a 223 barrel the pressure would go way up???

Please explain for us? Unless I missed something, that theory won't fly. All my match rifles shoot 5.56 surplus ammo just fine. Unless you are talking BR guns with tight necks.

In fact all my match chambers have 5.56 body designs but differ mostly in the throat area.

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Don't shoot 5.56 in a 223 barrel the pressure would go way up???

Please explain for us? Unless I missed something, that theory won't fly. All my match rifles shoot 5.56 surplus ammo just fine. Unless you are talking BR guns with tight necks.

In fact all my match chambers have 5.56 body designs but differ mostly in the throat area.

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I probably should have written "may" cause extremely high pressure. Still, I hope you are not suggesting that it is absolutely safe to shoot 5.56 Nato spec ammo in a .223 chambered barrel, that would be irresponsible. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Here is the information that you requested, taken from the AR15.com ammo- oracle(a great resource). Ammo-Oracle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />



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Q. What is the difference between 5.56�45mm and .223 Remington ammo?
In the 1950's, the US military adopted the metric system of measurement and uses metric measurements to describe ammo. However, the US commercial ammo market typically used the English "caliber" measurements when describing ammo. "Caliber" is a shorthand way of saying "hundredths (or thousandths) of an inch." For example, a fifty caliber projectile is approximately fifty one-hundredths (.50) of an inch and a 357 caliber projectile is approximately three-hundred and fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch. Dimensionally, 5.56 and .223 ammo are identical, though military 5.56 ammo is typically loaded to higher pressures and velocities than commercial ammo and may, in guns with extremely tight "match" .223 chambers, be unsafe to fire.

The chambers for .223 and 5.56 weapons are not the same either. Though the AR15 design provides an extremely strong action, high pressure signs on the brass and primers, extraction failures and cycling problems may be seen when firing hot 5.56 ammo in .223-chambered rifles. Military M16s and AR15s from Colt, Bushmaster, FN, DPMS, and some others, have the M16-spec chamber and should have no trouble firing hot 5.56 ammunition.

Military M16s have slightly more headspace and have a longer throat area, compared to the SAAMI .223 chamber spec, which was originally designed for bolt-action rifles. Commercial SAAMI-specification .223 chambers have a much shorter throat or leade and less freebore than the military chamber. Shooting 5.56 Mil-Spec ammo in a SAAMI-specification chamber can increase pressure dramatically, up to an additional 15,000 psi or more.

The military chamber is often referred to as a "5.56 NATO" chamber, as that is what is usually stamped on military barrels. Some commercial AR manufacturers use the tighter ".223" (i.e., SAAMI-spec and often labeled ".223" or ".223 Remington") chamber, which provides for increased accuracy but, in self-loading rifles, less cycling reliability, especially with hot-loaded military ammo. A few AR manufacturers use an in-between chamber spec, such as the Wylde chamber. Many mis-mark their barrels too, which further complicates things. You can generally tell what sort of chamber you are dealing with by the markings, if any, on the barrel, but always check with the manufacturer to be sure.

Typical Colt Mil-Spec-type markings: C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7

Typical Bushmaster markings: B MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 HBAR

DPMS marks their barrels ".223", though they actually have 5.56 chambers.

Olympic Arms marks their barrels with "556", with some additionally marked "SS" or "SUM." This marking is used on all barrels, even older barrels that used .223 chambers and current target models that also use .223 chambers. Non-target barrels made since 2001 should have 5.56 chambers.

Armalite typically doesn't mark their barrels. A2 and A4 models had .223 chambers until mid-2001, and have used 5.56 chambers since. The (t) models use .223 match chambers.

Rock River Arms uses the Wylde chamber specs on most rifles, and does not mark their barrels.

Most other AR manufacturers' barrels are unmarked, and chamber dimensions are unknown.

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Thanks for the clarification. We were both being too vague.

Of course if you read manufacturers handbooks, you are not supposed to shoot reloads in any factory rifle either.

And of recently the idiots over at Fulton Armory suggested the same thing about reloads. Of course they are in their own world anyway.

Caution is a good thing. That being said I've shot many thousands of rounds of surplus ball 223 in highpower rifles over many years. Those are bolt guns, AR versions of match rifles, service rifles. Almost all with custom chambers snugger than the typical 5.56 chamber.

I would not even shoot factory ammo in a Benchrest chamber ever. There are many variations along the way.

Murky enough for all now? Just watch the pressure signs of the ammo and you'll be fine. Unless you are shooting federal match in a match rifle. Then all bets are off. It'll be going slow but the pressure signs will be high....

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Of course if you read manufacturers handbooks, you are not supposed to shoot reloads in any factory rifle either.


They are dreaming if they think thats not going to happen. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

My plinking reload shoots exactly the same fps as the Win. white box, I use 26gr of Varget if I am remembering correctly.

As far as shooting 5.56 ammo in a .223 chamber goes, I wouldn't do it with my rifle or my face <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />, but to each his own, its easy to tell the difference by the muzzle blast and recoil.


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