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Jorge,

Unfortunately few seem to wish to discuss the (potential?) issue merely from an engineering perspective, and those that do get shouted down amid the BS that these threads seem to attract..

The problem as i see it is that any AD's could as easily be down to operator error or bubba gunsmithing as to a flaw in the Remington design and trying to sort one from the other based on secondhand reports is pretty much impossible.

So I guess it comes down to each Remington owner to decide what the odds are that one day when they take the safety off, the rifle will fire...If you are happpy with that being a million to one chance, and that because you practice safe gun handling, there is no risk anyway, forget it and hunt with your rifle as is..

If on the otherhand you think its an unacceptable risk, either send the rifle to Remington for them to fix, or get a replacement aftermarket trigger.

I don't own a Remington, but if I did, I'd look at fitting a Timney (or similar) and just be done with it...

Regards,

Peter

That's a reasonable approach Pete, but as I alluded, I just don't care for all the other issues that in my opinion make for an inferior product when compared to the likes of Winchester, Ruger, Weatherby, etc., hence the huge cottage industry focused solely on Remington triggers, bolts, extractors, etc. There are other brands I also don't care for, such as the new Brownings, Savages, etc. Cheers, jorge

Couple of points:

1) Walker recommended a re-design before (or just after) the initial design was released to the public, so no deaths would have occurred and damages would have to be paid.

2) If any bargains on Remington 700's appear, you'll be second in line - I'll be right ahead of you.

Ruger has made a number of re-designs and recalls and it does not seem to have hurt them too much.

As a fundamental design flaw a safety that blocks the sear simply is not as desirable as a safety that blocks the striker. Remington 700's safety's are inherantly inferior to Winchester Model 70's and Ruger Model 77's..............................DJ

I have been told the new X Mark Pro triggers do not have this problem. Can anybody verify that or link to some information that does?

If there is a trigger/sear failure on any of them, they will fire on safety release. Just fewer and more positive parts arrangement.

Bruce

444Matt,
The X-mark Pro triggers eliminated the connector and incorporated a trigger block safety to prevent the trigger from being pulled when the safety was engaged. I like the trigger just fine but these triggers can also be misadjusted and will malfunction as will virtually every other trigger on the market. If I was doing the redesign, I would have taken the opportunity to design a better trigger. Remington was hindered in this by the need to make a trigger which could be retro-fitted to older Remington rifles. When Winchester elected to change the model 70 trigger, they suffered from no such restraints. Whether or not their new trigger was an improvement is not germane to this discussion.
From the outset, I have disagreed with Jack Belk's contention that the connector was the root cause of all Remington trigger malfunction; or even a large portion of them. Eliminating the connector would not necessarily have prevented any of the accidents over the years. The connector is a red herring IMO.
For aftermarket triggers, I have used triggers from Timney, Shilen, Riflebasix, Jewel, and Canjar and all have been just fine. On my own rifles, I have Remington, Canjar, Hart, and my own three lever conversions. I'm not dissatisfied with any of them.
Jorge1,
The huge industry providing triggers, bolts, extractors etc., exists because there are huge numbers of Remingtons out there and they are popular as the basis of target/varmint rifles. It is not because they are fundementally flawed and need the parts in order to function. If poor design and poor quality control was the criteria for a healthy after market industry, we would be flooded with aftermarket A-Bolt parts.
In closing, I want to make some things perfectly clear. First, while I don't believe the connector was the root cause of Remington trigger malfunction, I do think it was a piece which should have been left out of the design. Second, there is no question that there have been accidents involving Remingtons and that many of these accidents were, inpart, due to manufacturing defects or poor quality control. It is sad that some had to learn such hard lessons from these accidents. Third, Remington was wrong in not letting the engineers and people on the shop floor to take care of the problem rather than allowing the legal department to handle it. Fourth, anytime you provide the consumer the opportunity to adjust a trigger, you are opening the door to problems. Ruger discovered this with the M77 and you will note, their triggers are no longer adjustable. As I said, I disagree with Jack Belk on this but respect his right to his opinion. He's just wrong, that's all. I disagree with the Barber's attack on Remington but I understand their reasoning and sympathize with them. I can't imagine the emotional trauma they must have suffered. I've made mistakes over the years too; I just got away with them. GD

Nicely said!

There would have been no deaths if IDIOTS hadn't pointed their guns at someone

Show me how, oh expert of all.

I personally have no beef with Remington. I like the 870 and the 760. I like their older rimfires. I don't dislike the 700 even.
I grew up and learned with a Targetmaster 22. I've owned 870's 760's, 788's, and currently a model 241. I sincerely hope Remington rides this out and continues to do well. The employees at Remington, and even the current owners are not to blame for this, I hope they do not pay with their jobs.
I do dislike the fact that the previous management(s) at Remington swept this issue under a carpet and let it continue to injure people. That is a blatant disregard for the safety and lives of good people.
As for the idiots here who have bashed anyone who dares have a differing opinion to theirs, I am glad they are on the receiving end. Do unto others, what they sowed, now they reap. Maybe, though I doubt it, they might even learn to be civil in the future. Being civil means having compassion and decency. All they have is big mouths and bile.

Oh you mean like you posted here:
"Boo-D-Hoo to the Remington crew! Bout time you got a serving of the same BS we've had to listen to from you every time we mention a different brand. Face it Sitka, you are ass, and now you're getting wiped."


Not sure what all your problems are, but talking out of at least two faces is one of them.
art

Ha! You guys are just mere idiots. My dad always told me that I was a PERFECT idiot! Guess I got y'all beat.

Never had the subject problem occur with my 700s. Haven't seen the program either. Any mention of Model Sevens doing this?

I did have a CZ side x side that would sometimes fire when closing the action. Key word here is "did" as in past tense.

Any mention of Model Sevens doing this?

Haven't seen a mention specifically, but yep, it can happen with them .

Not mentioning why, the internet you know. But will say a idiot problem.

And no! My Rems are not for sale.

I've got 2 Remington Model Sevens (260 and 308). Never had a problem, although I believe the triggers are identical and of the late design. BTW, I was so shaken by the CNBC show and the discussion on this forum, that I bought a Model 700 CDL in 35 Whelen last night.

Brad ,you are wrong,Mike Walker didn't design the trigger,McSweeny(sp) did. DuPont just bought the patent from him.The connector was added to give the patent a longer life.True,I have a quality 1980 rifle,but the factory trigger is a much better design for a hunting rifle than the Rifle Basic.

My 700's have been linked to multiple deaths ranging from 35 to 420 yards from the muzzle. All were intentional on critters from greydiggers to elk.

yeah, and due to a slight hemorrhoid problem, I lost my standing as a perfect as*****.

Haven't had a problem with the 700 or my 70's. Did with my savage, note the past tense there also.

We'll agree to disagree. I posit the reason for the aftermarket is because those three components continuosuly come up as weak design features of the marque. When Winchester was king of the hill there was never an after market for parts like with Remington.