Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Remington 700's under fire! Linked to Multiple deaths......

I like the open design of the basic Mauser military trigger for a durable hunting rifle. I have no experience with the current Winchester version, but I really like the Winchester take on this design with the previous M70 trigger. The M77 can be worked over to some degree, but I always liked the previous generation of M70 triggers as being near ideal for shooting game afield. Boxed up triggers, and this floating connector never gave me the same level of confidence.

Best:)

This doesn't come up very often but IMO I feel that it would be very interesting to know how many of the trigger issues happened after some Back Yard Barney decided to do his own trigger! Seriously I think people would be amazed to know how often this happens and people naturally won't fess up to it either. Easier to blame the factory..

Dober

FWIW I have a John Browning designed gun that can and does go click, even when the mitts are off, even a few pistols that ceased to quit firing.

Everyone wants a crisp, clean trigger, but not everyone keeps rounds out of the chamber when rounds should be out of the chamber.

Let's forget any kind of sear that need be man made and go back to lighting 12 ft. of fuse; but I'm sure someone would [bleep] that up too....

I posit your posit is all wet... When Winchester was king there was little in the way of gun tinkering going on as there has been these last 25 years or so. Sure there were the POs and such, but there was never enough of them to support an industry of significance. Most of the tinkerers made their own upgrade parts.
art

Sweet Jesus, you sound just like one of those snot nosed kids that always get the [bleep] kicked out of him in school, and now in life. Guessing you've never had control over anything, quite funny really.

Now go buy a pre-64 and go on a guided hunt.

Open wide bitch

Does anyone know why FN scrapped the old trigger design for the new MOA design ?

Lee24?

I think he designed the entire FN facility.

All I know is that if you give a dude a transfer bar, its his green light to rock on with a full cylinder six until he has an "accident", of which he is a 100 percent victim.......

Its scary out there; stay inside scarecrow....you're playing with fire.

I am going to drop the whole thing. My point was never against Remington as now is, good trigger now, getting better QA. My issue is solely with persons here who give our sport a crude, offensive, face.

that is what my wife says about me...I have a crude and offensive face..so..

I know lets all sing Kumbaya My Lord it will help your hurt feelers.

I'm betting it's the IDIOTS that are the real problem.

Maybe, but those three components are still HIGH failure items with Remington if they worked people wouldn't be changing them in the numbers they do and still today Winchesters don't need any of that stuff. Forget the safety and the fact it doesn't even lock the bolt (that's downright cheesy), but have you ever looked at a Rem extractor? it's pretty thin.

Now Jorge, the fact I have more than a couple dozen examples of the 700 bolts and extractors on hand and have seen lots more should give me some idea how they work... Still waiting for the first dangling bolt handle...

And I have purchased 700 bolts with extractor issues I have not had one fail on me but expect pressure excursions were involved...

But I have seen 70 extractors fail more than once. Just saw one a couple days ago with a huge chip out of the working end.

Further, I posit the notion of need to replace 700 extractors with Sako style is a function of ridiculous hype generated by your style of angst!

I cannot imagine trusting any safety... When it is time to shoot it is time to load, not before...

Mirrors should be tough for you to look in for a while...

The same people who can't control the muzzle of their firearm are probably a menace when given car keys as well!
whelennut

I like what Dober said. Would like to know how many of those triggers had been monkeyed with.

I'm not a lawyer, but I would assume that in any case where there was pending litigation, the rifle involved would have been checked to see if the trigger had been altered.

I don't understand why Remington would be liable, much less pay settlements on rifles that had their trigger mechanisms altered after the rifle left the factory.

One possibility is that Rem. doesn't want to put their fate in the hands of judges and juries who do not possess a working knowledge of trigger mechanisms and safeties.

Seeing pics of Jr. layed out on the ground, coupled with a smooth talking attorney and a courtroom full of grieving family members is gonna tug at the heart strings....So out of court settlements may be the best option even if the rifle is not at fault.

If some of these rifles had unaltered triggers, then that's a different deal.

I think the one damnable issue in all this that poses the biggest problem for Remington, is the fact that the man who designed it is on record as saying a potentially unsafe condition existed. He created a fix and wrote multiple memos on the subject warning of AD's that were ignored.

That in itself will make it almost impossible for Remington to win in court cases where someone was killed by one of these rifles.

JM

That's kinda what I've been wondering about too, in regards to anyone saying that there is no problem. I have no doubt that most of the trigger issues are a result of "bubba" messing with the trigger, but from what I understand, Remington has internal docs showing that the trigger has a potential flaw, and that there are 'proven' cases of rifles right out of the box where the rifle could be made to fire w/out touching the trigger at the time the firing pin drops - i.e. put on the safety, mess w/ the trigger, resulting in the sear dropping when the safety was moved back to the 'fire' position.

Like I said before, I've had quite a few Rem-Walker triggers, unaltered (meaning they still had the factory seals over the adjustment screws) and I could never reproduce the 'problem' ... but that doesn't mean it didn't happen in some instances...

I have no angst Art. I only have one Remington and that's more than enough for me. Supply and demand is a beautiful thing and in that regard, the 700 keeps the parts manufacturers in business and no amount of economies od scale argument can negate that fact. Lastly "When it is time to shoot it is time to load, not before..." is purely subjective and a non-locking bolt safety is well "cheesy." I choose otherwise.