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What would yall suggest for tatical scope/sight?
Cary

Quick and dirty, because I need to fix dinner: Leupold CQB or the ACOG. A lot depends on your intended use.

i like the eotech 550 aa because it can be had for under $400, and is a heavy duty little beast.

It depends on what tactical means to you. Are you thinking quick shots on running game/etry team stuff or sniping at 100/200/300/plus yards?

A holosight (or similar) will work fine for anything to 150-200 yards on a deer sized target. Past that a scope is nicer, for my eyes and abilities.

After I set a load for my 50 Beowulf, there's a holosight waiting to go on it. It's basically a 200 yard gun. On my 16" .223 upper, I'll put the "tactical" 3200 mildot, turrets scope. It's about as economical as a guy could get and still have decent glass. If funds were no problem, I'd look at Nightforce, Schmidt & Bender, Swarovski, Kahles, or Leupold for the scope.

Here's a good deal too :https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/449695/an/0/page/0#449695 . No need for batteries here! Or at least it will work without them.

caryo15,

Have T&E'd just about everything on the market in the last 4 years.

They all (The good stuff on the top of the market that is) have strengths and weaknesses.

Your most "LIKELY" spectrum of use should dictate the choice made.

Anything with Batterys cannot be trusted except in a controlled environment, where forgetting to turn the thing on wont be a problem and spare Batterys are constantly available.

Current Models of the Eotech and Aimpoint have amazing battery life, but still the stupid bad batterys are found at the worst time.
It's just less common with these new models.

The EOtech is more fragile than many folks think.
It also suffers from backlighting reflection issues at dawn and dusk.
But is one heck of a great optic when it is in it's element.
Provided of course you remember to turn the thing on, and adjust the reticle intensity now and then as the lighting conditions change.
Also one must pay attention to snow, Rain and airborne stuff that might like to settle on the lens.
The thing is a magnet for gorp as all reflex sights are.


The Aimpoint Comp M2 is a tube sight and is somewhat "Old School" but has evolved into a tough, and proven package.

The "Field of view" is more limited on the tube sights, but the matter can be trained around.

The Aimpoint is Issued currently.

It suffers less from the backlighting issues.
It also suffers from not being a true reflex sight.

The tiny reticle can be an issue for some to find quickly.
The reticle also can be a challenge to those who are Red/Green colorblind.

Co-witness with the Irons can be a bugger, and seem "Confining" to those used to naked Irons.
These issues can be trained around.




The Trijicon ReflexII uses no Batterys.
It's tougher than Tungsten woodpecker lips.
It suffers from backlighting and differing lighting "Issues".
It is ussued to our troops and works great. It just ain't optimum in all situations.

My guys are issued the thing and I gotta maintain the things.
Love it for what it is, and accept what it isn't......and never forget Irons are always there.
Like the Eotech, the lens is a magnet for all manner of environmentals.

Best advantage is that in the "Normal" conditions it was designed for, it is FAST, reliable to an Obscene level, holds it's zero even when beaten like a rented mule.

The biggest detraction?

The stooooooooopid daylight filter that attaches with a fine thread, and renders the thing to being a Occluded sight inside buildings, because it also obscures the irons..



The CQT is a another critter altogether.
A buddy with the DOE beat the dickens out of several of them trying to get them to fail with no luck.

Takes batterys, but dosn't HAVE to have them to be operational.

It's not a reflex sight.

It has the capacity for magnification of the image, but that's just another thing to fuss with, when you don't have time to fuss.

I really like the things, butdon't have one mounted.


Acogs.....
Ask the USMC.

Their only weakness we found was in sheer speed of target aquisition over the reflex sights and the Aimpoint when distances were REALLY short and the Operator had the same time of framilliarization with each.
This can be trained around.

I have several ACOG's on Personal carbines and rifles, and love the things.



Valdada offers a conventional low to midpower scope with what they call the CQB Reticle.

A good friend of mine designed the reticle, and worked with Valdada to get the concept out there.

It's a solid optic and very fast for an "Overall" grunts rifle.

However......

The reticle washes out in low light because it is not lighted.

Field of view issues put it into the same category as the ACOG but with a small twist.

It's not as compact either.




There are some interesting things coming in the future...
Keep an eye peeled.

It looks like the second generation of Carbine range optics is upon us and soon to be much talked about in the gun rags, and debated on the internet.

The current War, and much interest by our Military has driven the designers and manufacturers.

Get an eyball full of each and every one before making your choice based upon your projected most likely utilization, and then PLAN on the unlikely utilization with expectations of still being fully capable through training, use of Irons, or simply throwing a lever and dumping the optic if needed.

Hope this helps , and I wish ya a smaller forrest for the trees!

E4E

Thanks for all the replys. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.
Cary

fwiw,
My choice would be the Schmidt & Bender 1.1-4x20 Short Dot with the CQB Reticle mounted in a Larue SPR 1.5...

Quote: It just ain't optimum in all situations

Well, nothing is. But it seems you've got a lot of good advice on what works in a variety of situations. I have an ACOG 4x32 and for the goofing around I do, it's perfect.

How about:

1) Leupold's 1-3x14 Mark 4 CQ/T Riflescope for AR15s ?

2) Leupold's 1.5-5x20 Mark 4 MR/T 30mm Riflescope ?

3) Leupolds 1.5-5x20 VX-III 30mm Riflescope with illuminated circle dot retical ?

fwiw & imho,

1. A good concept that turned into an abortion in execution...

2. The M2 is a knockoff of the S&B Short Dot. Could be a great scope the only thing that gives me pause is Leupold's Illuminated Reticle Technology. Tends to be very hard on batteries. That said I intend to t&e on this scope in the very near future...

This scope may correct the only issue I have with the Short Dot which is weight. It's a magnificent scope, however, it IS heavy...

3. A good scope with the same issues of battery life. I'll be curious how long the 1" tubed illuminated 1.5-5x20 will remain available with the introduction fo the MR/T M2...

Regards, Matt.

Look at the Trijicon 3-9x40 with passive (no battery, fiber optic) lighted reticle, with adjustable brightness.

Lee,

I would advise approaching that optic with some caution.

Especially at that price.

The Tri-Power isn't the only stinker to come from Trijicon.

Some folks like 'em though.

E4E

My ATN 5X33L never let me down. It is very reasonable for the money but the quality of the picture is superb. No glare in bright light, no scratches with the lens coating. The reticle can be lit up so you do not lose in the low light. The main thing of course is the precision. Even with a distance about 500 yards with proper settings, you can count on a bull�s eye shot. It is really great optical technology has evolved to design such fabulous products.

ATN 5x33 with BDC
IOR Valdada 4x with BDC

The illuminated 1.5-5x20 from leupold is a 30mm tube scope.

Conrad

Conrad,
The MR/T M2 is on a 30mm tube, however, they offered an illuminated 1" version with a circle dot reticle. It has since been removed from the website. Looked like this with a blacked out golden ring...

Regards, Matt.

How much were they asking for it ?

Conrad

this work?

Welcome to the Campfire, Ulysses!

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US Optics SN4 works for me.

http://www.usoptics.com/sub_pages/scope_model.php?recordID=4