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funny after all the kimber threads people still buy them expecting them to shoot, when in actuality they should be surprised when they get one to actually shoot if anything. tell us how many Kimbers you have owned cowboy? I own 3 of them. the most difficult to get to shoot was the montana 308, the reason because of the way I was resting it. To JO's and Luv2safari's point putting your hand under the rifle on the front bag gives me great groups. Then I expect a lemon or two from any company, but most folks problems is because they can't shoot a rifle unless it weights 8.5 pounds or more. I will grant that the fore end should be stiffer in the little sky. I do shoot light rifles and I know how to shoot. I have a 700 ti clone in 270 that shoots bug holes no matter how you hold it. How you put it on the bags should not make it spray them into a 6 inch group. If it does I would call that a design flaw. These little rifles are very nicely balanced and a dream to carry and that is the only reason I will try to make it shoot. A $1000.00 gun should not be that finicky.
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so how many Kimbers do you own Gobble? How much does your fake Titanium weight? A design flaw but at the same time a 5 pound and change rifle or just pay 3.5 times as much and buy a NULA.
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curious why ppl care how a 5 pound rifle shoots off bags when it will shoot fine off hand or in other field positions?......i didnt buy the thing to sit at a bench.....
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Most people flinch like a Democrat being kissed By Sarah Palin when shooting light rifles that kick sharp and hard. Light rifles take discipline that many have never mastered, and they make flinchers out of some who have. This is in great part the reason they get bad rapped for not shooting. Some don't shoot well, but some shooters don't, either. 
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my Kimber doesnt kick bad at all, the stock on the Montana absorbs recoil like a sponge......im not a huge fan of recoil, have gone that route and while i can tolerate it fine i dont like it.....was a curious what a flyweight rifle was gonna feel like but after the first round discovered i had a significantly heavier 270 Win that kicked worse....quit looking for an all around hunting rifle after the first trip to the range.....still want a drilling and such but the Kimber is gonna be in the safe and used regularly till i keel over, only rifle ive ever liked this much is when i got the 10/22 in high school 
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I also have a 84M 308, I use a Buck Bag which supports my rifles from receiver out to just behind the sling swivel. My rifle shoots most all factory loads sub moa. The only thing I have done is a trigger job set to 2 1/4 lbs as all my hunting rifles are. I have loaded some 150gr Sierra Gamekings today in hopes of getting to the range tomorrow. Stick with it the Kimbers are good rifles I own 2 Montana's and a Pro Varmint. JOE
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Hunt with Class and Classics
Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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Kick?
I don't know but my Montana 300WSM absolutely demands immediate attention when I launch a 180TSX at 3130.
Love that gun even if she does get a bit sassy.
Everything I have shot through it has worked fine.
Shoots the 180s into 1.40 using 2-8X36 at 200 yds.
It may do better but I don't.
Sure do like my Kimber.
Jim
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i was smart enough to get a 84M in 260 do want one of the 84L's to rebarrel to 338-06 or 9.3x62......i had a 375WSM for awhile that was built pretty light on a 700 action, my wife thought i was insane 
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"wife thought i was insane"
Was that her conclusion AFTER you shot it?
She may have noted a difference in you, you know.
Jim
BE STRONG IN THE LORD, AND IN HIS MIGHTY POWER. ~ Ephesians 6:10
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Gosh when I rest my 84M 308 shooting 130TTSX bullets over 47 grains of TAC right at the end of the forearm and put my head down on the stock to shoot I get a 2-3 inch group, but then when I rest it back near the receiver so that the front sling stud is off the bag maybe even put my hand a bit under it to keep the fore end from touching suddenly it wants to shoot 3/4 inch groups with the same ammo or even some cheap 150 grain factory WW powerpoints from Wally world.. its a puzzle ain't it! I was told years ago to never shoot with the sling stud front or back in contact with the bags. Too hard to get shot to shot consistentency. I picked up my 308 Montana a couple of weeks ago, thought that I'd be in for some work trying to find a load that shoots. First bullet and powder combination tried goes into 3/4 of an inch, might play with seating depth just for the heck of it, but load development is pretty well done. Would love to have a NULA, but this Montana sure is sweet.
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Funny, what I get out of most of the Kimber threads is that it takes very good bench technique to get them to work. It is true. I recently purchased a 84m/308 after not having shot a rifle for several years. As I re-learned how to rest it on the bags and squeeze the trigger it shot very well (20 shots averaged .650 @ 100 yards)with 45.5 grains of IMR4064 and 155 gr SMKs. At 7.0 pounds loaded and scoped it a keeper. See Handloader 269 page 76 for some useful notes on loads and bag postion.
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"wife thought i was insane"
Was that her conclusion AFTER you shot it?
She may have noted a difference in you, you know.
Jim
good point, she thought i was nuts when she saw the cartridge.....figured i was certifiable after shooting it....funny thing is it had a really good recoil pad on it so it never bruised me but the wrist was to small for my hands and the recoil impulse was fast, definitely not a "big push" but a "quick jab" which resulted in my hand slipping and my knuckles getting busted on the bolt handle and trigger guard.....my hand hurting is what led me to sell it not my shoulder....
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Somehow, I seem to understand!
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BE STRONG IN THE LORD, AND IN HIS MIGHTY POWER. ~ Ephesians 6:10
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Curse of more than a few light rifles....
I don't have patience with expensive, temperamental rifles.
I want them to shoot several bullets well and accuracy not be subject to the idosyncrisies of slight fore end pressure.
YMMV. Exactly! I can deal with bad all the time--or good all time--or somewhere inbeteewn all the time. But I can't deal with inconsistancy. A big time Amen to the both of these! Dober (take that barrel to .6" at the mzl and watch good things begin to happen) +2 on that
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funny after all the kimber threads people still buy them expecting them to shoot, when in actuality they should be surprised when they get one to actually shoot if anything. tell us how many Kimbers you have owned cowboy? I own 3 of them. the most difficult to get to shoot was the montana 308, the reason because of the way I was resting it. To JO's and Luv2safari's point putting your hand under the rifle on the front bag gives me great groups. Then I expect a lemon or two from any company, but most folks problems is because they can't shoot a rifle unless it weights 8.5 pounds or more. I will grant that the fore end should be stiffer in the little sky. I do shoot light rifles and I know how to shoot. I have a 700 ti clone in 270 that shoots bug holes no matter how you hold it. How you put it on the bags should not make it spray them into a 6 inch group. If it does I would call that a design flaw. These little rifles are very nicely balanced and a dream to carry and that is the only reason I will try to make it shoot. A $1000.00 gun should not be that finicky. Let me clarify something, since I am a Kimber owner who mentioned that mine shoots better if I hold the fore-end. If I hold it, it'll run around .75"'@ 100 yds. If if don't, it's more like 1.5" Not 6" or whatever... It's a .325 and I agree with both Rattler AND Safariman... the stock is great at mitigating recoil. And it kicks.  I'm going to stick a Pac-Nor tube on mine; it'll be interesting to see if that changes the held-down/not-held-down dynamic.
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Toad, you're killin' me. I have a stainless M70 Classic WSM that I've been looking for something to do with. I think this is the answer.
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Some of the Montanas are just plain finicky -- hence the term, "playing Kimber roullete." Kimber fans don't like to hear that, but such expressions usually become common for a reason. My .308 84M shoots 168 TSXs the best. It does seem a little "finicky" with other bullets. Might be because the magazine box/throat combo won't let me seat most bullets anywhere near the lands; most are a good .150 off or more.
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This Kimber Montana 7mm WSM is not finicky. I shot it yesterday and it did do well with the bipod on or off at 100 yds. ![[Linked Image]](http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8705/bipod.jpg)
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My 7 WSM Montana is not finicky either, but then again, I can seat bullets out to the lands in that one. ![[Linked Image]](http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p46/cpwatts_2006/PA080199.jpg) Of course, the aftermarket barrel probably helps some too.
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