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I find asthmatic deer the toughest to time your shot on.
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i can't believe some of the stuff people post. sometimes its better to not say anything...
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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.243 vs .30-06;
If you have lung tissue you should have a dead deer within 60 yards, More likely 40 yards.
I've killed a few deer with a .243 and seen several more .243 vs .30-06 killed by .243's and 6mm's. Around 20 deer total and 2 elk.
Part of the family that shoots 6mm's use 80 grain bullets. I and mine have always used 100 grain bullets. I have some Noslers but they are for a daughter's elk hunt. I load core lokts, Hornady's and Power Points depending on what is available. I like the Hornady's the best.
Barrel length has varied from 18.5 inches to 22 with the shorter length the most common.
I have only seen one deer shot with a .243 that got back up and it was hit high. The run distance is nearly the same.
Beyond that I don't see much difference between a .243 and an 06 on our deer.
I still shoot the '06 more than anything else at deer [using 180 grain bullets]. Every once in awile I get to see all four feet in the air with the '06. I haven't seen that with the .243 yet. Of course I have killed a whole bunch more deer with an '06.
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Any novice can time the shot on an asthmatic deer- Try a running buck with the Whooping cough
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I've only killed 30 deer or so, with everything from a stick with a razor to a 12 ga slug. the few I took with a .30 cal rifle went further than ANY I took with my .243 I'm a stickler for shot placement though. The 30 cal is probably a bit too much for you from a recoil perspective. Recommend you stick with a 6mm round.
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I've only killed 30 deer or so, with everything from a stick with a razor to a 12 ga slug. the few I took with a .30 cal rifle went further than ANY I took with my .243 I'm a stickler for shot placement though. The 30 cal is probably a bit too much for you from a recoil perspective. Recommend you stick with a 6mm round. You're joking, right? You're just messing with Ryan I assume.
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You guys think my response is funny You are correct..
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I've only killed 30 deer or so, with everything from a stick with a razor to a 12 ga slug. the few I took with a .30 cal rifle went further than ANY I took with my .243 I'm a stickler for shot placement though. The 30 cal is probably a bit too much for you from a recoil perspective. Recommend you stick with a 6mm round. lol, good one! considering the rifle I shoot just as much as the others for targets is a .300 win mag
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I've only killed 30 deer or so, with everything from a stick with a razor to a 12 ga slug. the few I took with a .30 cal rifle went further than ANY I took with my .243 I'm a stickler for shot placement though. The 30 cal is probably a bit too much for you from a recoil perspective. Recommend you stick with a 6mm round. You're joking, right? You're just messing with Ryan I assume. I forgot my , but not sure what else would make one a better killer with a 243 over a 300 all things being equal.
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My brother and I both use a .243, neither exclusively and have never had a problem. I load for both of us and found that the 100 gr. Hornady SP with H4350 shot well in both of our guns. With 22 in. barrels velocity averages 2850 fps. He has taken more deer with the .243 than I have because I use the 30-06 more. We have never recovered the Hornady bullet and have never lost a deer using the .243. Considering we have about 600 rounds of it loaded I'm glad we're happy with it. No deer taken with our .243s could have been recovered any quicker using an 06.
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.243 and bullet combo do a nice job, have skinned many killed buy it...look further. you'll find the deer..Ignore hype and BS
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The .243 was intended to be a varmint rifle, why people insist on hunting deer with it is beyond me. Use a cartridge that reliably produces quick humane kills and save the .243 for ground hogs, coyotes and such vermin. Deer deserve to be dispatched more humanely. Funny [bleep], thanks for the laugh Ditto that. Too funny.
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I am a 30-06 veteran that shot my first deer with a .243 this evening. Handload with Sierra Gameking 85 grain BTHP. Blood and lung all over the place, waist high.....No deer?? I know the .243 kills deer, but do they normally run farther when hit with a .243 vs. a larger caliber? Just wanted to know some other experiences with this, thanks. it was a new rifle to you and you misplaced your shot. Nothing else could have happened, your just mistaken in where you hit it.
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. Did you shoot the deer on an inhale or exhale.
How many of you wait for the deer to exhale?????? I also wait for them to pee, poop, put near leg forward, drop right there & field dress themself. Geez............ We discussed a similar issue with humans in my concealed carry class. Technically they are suppose to teach you to shoot center mass. The problem is that a human can live up to two minutes even with a proper kill shot in the chest. You guys think my response is funny but go ask the dead police officer who thought the bad guy was done for how funny it is. It was simply a statement that just because you hit a deer in a magic spot don't assume they should just fall over. Most will run if physicaly able. Duh! I enjoy your posts because they are mostly BS but fun reading anyway. In my few years on this planet I have killed a few animals, not as many as some here but a few and I have never, not even once had as much trouble recovering an animal as some on this forum seem to have. Unless I personally made a mistake with a shot and hit the wrong spot, twice this has happened in 40 years with a gun in my hand.
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You guys think my response is funny You are correct.. +1
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Shoot through both front shoulder and you don't have to track them. Heart/lung shots are for bow hunters.
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. You guys think my response is funny but go ask the dead police officer Duh! Rest my case.
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I've used a .44 mag (handgun), .243, 25-06, 7mm-08, & 30-06 for deer. The 25-06 is the only one that trumped my .243. I've taken most with a 30-06. The .243 put them down quicker than my 30-06 or 7mm-08. I use 100gr Corelokts for my .243 load. I use 165gr bullets (cup & core) in my 30-06 and 140gr Corelokts in my 7mm-08. IMHO for me to get the same performance of my .243 in my 30-06 or 7mm-08 I would have to use a more fragile bullet.
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I've only killed 30 deer or so, with everything from a stick with a razor to a 12 ga slug. the few I took with a .30 cal rifle went further than ANY I took with my .243 I'm a stickler for shot placement though. The 30 cal is probably a bit too much for you from a recoil perspective. Recommend you stick with a 6mm round. You're joking, right? You're just messing with Ryan I assume. I forgot my , but not sure what else would make one a better killer with a 243 over a 300 all things being equal. in my case, possible familiarity? I bought that 243 when I was 16, it was my first rifle. I've shot a majority of my coyotes with it, antelope, whitetails, mulies you name it. I've used many .30 cals to kill things from antelope to prairie dogs. I don't think they work any better or worse. its like building something, do you use a 3lb hammer for the whole job simply because you can hit harder with it? or will a framing hammer do for 90% of what you need done. both will drive a nail, and how its done isn't really noticeably different. also have you ever noticed that those of us who hint with "small" guns for deer. like the 22-250,223, 243, 6mm are never the ones to rag on the people who use .30 cals? how often have you heard someone out of the blue start ridiculing someone for using any caliber for an animal? its not that we "don't know better" like some would think. perhaps we are enlightened to a point where we realize to each their own and some guys prefer this over that. shoot what you know and are good with and game will die
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So did you recover the deer?
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