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If'n I owned a .30-40, and I knew my shots would be 100 yards or less, and I was using open sights, I'd cast some heavies out of wheel weight with gas checks, find a load that gave me 2000fps and good accuracy and I'd go shoot a critter...up to and including 400 pounds!!! And I wouldn't worry about going any faster.
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My Krag (Bannerman cutdown, 21" Barrel, S-K scope mount)load is a 150 gr ballistic tip over IMR-4064 at around 2500 fps. As accurate as anything I've tried in this rifle.
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I guess I'll explain that I'm trying to avoid a repeat of the last time I shot a deer with an antique rifle - in that case it was a Stevens 44 & 1/2, in .32-40. I had worked up loads with Hornady 170's at 1900 fps, and was assured that time, that lots of old-timers had killed deer with no problem with such loads out of .32-40's. I certainly did get a good blood trail from the doe I shot at 40 yards, but the trail eventually stopped, and she turned out to be the only deer I've ever shot & lost. What was meant to be a cool experience proved disappointing. I have tried lighter bullets in the rifle - it didn't like them. The 180 BT's that shoot so well in the old Krag are recommended for impact velocities of 1800 fps minimum. They would indeed be above that when launched at 2200 - but not much above it. I'd like a little more safety margin. That's the first goal. The second goal is - I'm about 300 fps below Rem factory velocities. I'd like to be in the ballpark, and 300 fps shy ain't my idea of a ballpark. Perhaps I should have asked for a load "factory equivalent, or a touch less". Anyhow, I am trying to be respectful of the game, and also respectful of great grand-dads old rifle. I really don't believe I'm on a ego trip to push its limits. And Rocky I do need to get around to buying one of your books one of these days...  Tex - Have you punched the data into external ballistics software to see at what distance you would be below 1800 fps (or 1900 fps if you want to add your own cushion to the padding Nosler adds to their minimum impact velocity)? Even if you used 1900 as your minimum impact velocity, you should be good to go for more than a hundred yards past your stated 80 yard range with a muzzle velocity of 2200 fps and a 180 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. If you thought you might be shooting past 250 yards, I might be concerned with a 180 gr BT starting at 2200 fps, but short of 200 yds, I personally wouldn't give it a second thought.
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I would trust Mike V for load info over his friend shrapnel
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Yea, but with 35,000 psi 45 Colt loads in the Colt Model P, Shrapnel gets higher velocity than Mike V, although there is some gas cutting out the side of the cylinder.
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Considering that the old government load of a 220 grain bullet at a skinch over 2000 fps was what earned the Krag it's reputation, I would say that 180 at 2200 fps would more than suffice. If you're concerned about your bullet not expanding at distances where the velocity has fallen off a bit, then look for a different bullet that will. Why push 110 year old steel to it's limits if you don't have to?
I wonder if the speeds that you are trying to were attained in a full-length Krag rifle with, what was it, 28-30" barrel? If yours is 8-10" shorter you're behind the 8-ball right off the bat.
It's been years since I played with a Krag but the several boxes of handloads I found from back then jogged my memory regarding my solution that parallels D Chamberlain's. Lyman 311284 220gr. @ a chrono'ed 2050 out of a carbine barrel.
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No one has asked the obvious question. If Rem factory loads get the velocity that tex seeks - why doesn't he just use factory ammo? Of course, if he hasn't actually chronographed factory stuff, but is just going by what Remington claims their ammo gets, he might be pleasantly surprised by putting some factory stuff over the screens. I'd personally bet that Remington isn't loading their factory ammo all that warm, considering the guns it'll be fired in.
Not digging at ya, tex. Just wondering about all the possibilities.
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I would trust Mike V for load info over his friend shrapnel
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Yea, but with 35,000 psi 45 Colt loads in the Colt Model P, Shrapnel gets higher velocity than Mike V, although there is some gas cutting out the side of the cylinder. It would be the gas cutting on my handsome face that would worry me... Mike
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Nosler 180 gr Ballistic Tips The .308" 180 gr. Bal Tip isn't all that soft. Nosler stiffened them a while back because people kept using them on elk.
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The Krag has a 1 in 10 twist. Deer, especially a typical doe, is not hard to kill. You don't need 180 gr bullets. Get some of these Barnes TSXs: .308″ (30-30 Win) Diameter Weight Description S.D. B.C. CAT# .308" 150 gr TSX FN .226 .184 30820 and load them up to around 2500 fps. Shoot the doe thru both front shoulders and she'll drop like a stone with little meat damage. Front row 7th from left. ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/barnesbullets.jpg) Loaded in a 303 Savage @2200 fps and deadly. ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z231/leadloader/DSCN2933.jpg)
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I did not see the article. . . .
But 125 grain B-Tips have worked extremely well for a friend at 2500 fps.
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I looked up the B.C. on that bullet and Nosler claims a very respectable 0.507. At U.S. Army Metro conditions you'll still be kissing 1900 fps at 200 yards with about 8" of drop. With an iron-sighted 30-40 Krag, what's the problem?
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Note: The 8" of drop was assuming a 100 zero...
And at 80 yards the bullet should be moving in the neighborhood of 2,075 fps with plenty of mojo to knock any deer face down.
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Nosler 180 gr Ballistic Tips The .308" 180 gr. Bal Tip isn't all that soft. Nosler stiffened them a while back because people kept using them on elk. yup, that is what I have heard as well, and is part of my concern. To answer Rocky, the Rem factory loads I unfortunately did not chrono, since I had forgotten the tripod at a previous range trip. They do impact higher, and show substantially more case expansion than my last loads, so there is little doubt in my mind they are hotter. I don't have a lot more room in the cases either, between 48 gr of Reloader 19, and the 180 BT's seated to 3.17 OAL. I am thinking the Hornady FTX and Reloader 17 might be real interesting, but I don't know if I can get that developed by Christmas. The other part of the story was I wanted to blood the Krag, then give it to an uncle (which is a long story by itself) for Christmas. guess more research is in order, but I will share the results 
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Note: The 8" of drop was assuming a 100 zero...
And at 80 yards the bullet should be moving in the neighborhood of 2,075 fps with plenty of mojo to knock any deer face down. Thanks, that is good info.
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My curiosity is partly assuaged. Thanks!
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Nosler 180 gr Ballistic Tips The .308" 180 gr. Bal Tip isn't all that soft. Nosler stiffened them a while back because people kept using them on elk. yup, that is what I have heard as well, and is part of my concern. To answer Rocky, the Rem factory loads I unfortunately did not chrono, since I had forgotten the tripod at a previous range trip. They do impact higher, and show substantially more case expansion than my last loads, so there is little doubt in my mind they are hotter. I don't have a lot more room in the cases either, between 48 gr of Reloader 19, and the 180 BT's seated to 3.17 OAL. I am thinking the Hornady FTX and Reloader 17 might be real interesting, but I don't know if I can get that developed by Christmas. The other part of the story was I wanted to blood the Krag, then give it to an uncle (which is a long story by itself) for Christmas. guess more research is in order, but I will share the results Often a higher impact points toa lower velocity. Longer barrel time give muzzle rise more time to act on the bullet.... Not always but often in my limited experiance.
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In my 14" and 22" Contender 30/40s I have gotten best results (accuracy and high velocity) from H-414. I called the factory ballistic guys asking about H-414 load data, they suggested max loads about 2 gr over my loads, my barrels have a bunch of freebore (or are just properly throated for 220s), never-the- less they shoot best with any Hornaday bullet I have tried seated to the cannelure. Did not chrono bullets heavier than 165s and 170s but velocities were bumping 2500 fps in the 14" bbl. I do not use much ball powder anymore because the extrudeds are so much more temperature stable...Pulled 147 ball bullets loaded with Unique (cast bullet data)were super accurate, one holers @ 50 yards. And of course my data is DANGEROUS and must never be used. Best Wishes.
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I've been shooting various 30/40's (Lee Enfield, Krag, P-14, Ruger 77) and hunting with them for thirty-some years. For deer, I've come to believe the 150 grain bullet is best. In the Lee Enfield, I load them to about 2650 fps if I want the brass to live long. I use both Speer and Hornady and don't really have a preference. GD
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I've been shooting various 30/40's (Lee Enfield, Krag, P-14, Ruger 77) Tell us about that one. I was thinking of trying one with a P14 mag box and a Ruger #3 barrel. Bruce
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I shoot a 1898 Krag Calvary Model.. one of 5,000 made.
My load is a paltry 25 grains of SR 4759 with a 165 grain ballistic tip.. or a 180 grain ballistic tip..
duplicates what I shoot at target at 200 yds, with 168 grain match bullets..
there isn't a deer on the planet that either ballistic tip won't take at 200 yds... and MV is right at 2000 fps or so..
the rifle will give a 3 inch group at 200 yds with open sights..
as long as it has a shooter that can see that good any more..
a target looks like a flea at 200 yds for me any more...
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