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LOL. Weaver came out with an 80th anniversary Steel Tube 'retro' K-4, yet I believe it did get updated lens coating, etc.
Before I buy a new VX-I or II, I'd be looking at these:
Redfield Revolution - Yes, mfg. in USA by Leupold - very good optics for the money from what I could tell looking thru a 4-12.
Nikon - Pro Staff, etc.
Burris FFII
Bushnell 3200
Weaver - esp. interested in the K-6x38.
The VX-3 is a good scope, but for the money, I question if I can do better. It may be splitting hairs, but I think a Conquest is better money spent when you compare glass and consider the reticle. Many complain about the 'gold/orange' flare of a Leupold reticle in certain light conditions, and I have seen it. I have not heard any of this with Zeiss.
I sure would like to see a lower priced line of 2.5/3x, 4x, and 6x fixed models by the Redfield division.
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I have seen the reticle wires turn bronze color in several scopes. The Leupolds, Nikon Monarch Ucc, Bushnell 4200 Elites and Weaver Grand Slams. Funny thing is I have had a Pentax Pioneer (same as Burris Fullfield II, and a Sightron SII and although they have wire reticles Ive never seen light reflect off of them like that. I think it has something to do with the positioning of the crosshairs in the scope that makes it this way. Maybe some have the crosshairs either further in from the eyepiece so the light doesnt come in at an angle that hits the wire reticle the same as it does in other scopes.
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You guys keep talking about Zeiss conquest being so good. I don't have one so can't comment from personal experience. BUT... I have had two hunters that have switched from Zeiss to Leupold. One, an elk hunter I had this year from TX stopped at the Whittington center and replaced his Zeiss conquest with a VX3 LR because it tracked better and had a better eye box! He spends a lot of money on scopes and rifles but really liked this VX3!
He did shoot his elk at 618 yds so I can't complain!
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You guys keep talking about Zeiss conquest being so good. I don't have one so can't comment from personal experience. BUT... I have had two hunters that have switched from Zeiss to Leupold. One, an elk hunter I had this year from TX stopped at the Whittington center and replaced his Zeiss conquest with a VX3 LR because it tracked better and had a better eye box! He spends a lot of money on scopes and rifles but really liked this VX3!
He did shoot his elk at 618 yds so I can't complain! Oh man, don't tell me that! I've got three 3-9s waiting at home to be mounted on something!
This is a shooting forum, there is no place here for logic.
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You guys keep talking about Zeiss conquest being so good. I don't have one so can't comment from personal experience. BUT... I have had two hunters that have switched from Zeiss to Leupold. One, an elk hunter I had this year from TX stopped at the Whittington center and replaced his Zeiss conquest with a VX3 LR because it tracked better and had a better eye box! He spends a lot of money on scopes and rifles but really liked this VX3!
He did shoot his elk at 618 yds so I can't complain! You take all the VX-3's and I'll take the Conquests and we'll both be happy!
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Would you please cite the data source that you obtained the this information from to make this comment -
"Why then, "pray tell", do the folks at Leupold sell more scopes than any other manufacturer in the world???"
The last documented figures that I saw had Bushnell as #1.
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I have seen the reticle wires turn bronze color in several scopes. The Leupolds, Nikon Monarch Ucc, Bushnell 4200 Elites and Weaver Grand Slams. Funny thing is I have had a Pentax Pioneer (same as Burris Fullfield II, and a Sightron SII and although they have wire reticles Ive never seen light reflect off of them like that. I think it has something to do with the positioning of the crosshairs in the scope that makes it this way. Maybe some have the crosshairs either further in from the eyepiece so the light doesnt come in at an angle that hits the wire reticle the same as it does in other scopes. 2 things: reticles in the rear focal plane are more likely to turn colors because of light hittinhg them through the eyepiece. etched reticles change color much less than wire
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47 yr. olf technology ? Leupold didn't make fully multicoated scopes until the early 90's. What they made then, and still make are the best in reliable scopes. Scopes that are also very user friendly.
Some of you guys are really funny. The reticle of the Conquest is sharper than the ones in a Leupold ? BS.
If properly focused, they are equally sharp.
Leupold's reticles change colors ? So what ? Doesn't affect the performance of the scope. E
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65BR: So YOU prefer Zeiss reticles - so what?
Your post is full of inuendo and baseless opinion!
Why then, "pray tell", do the folks at Leupold sell more scopes than any other manufacturer in the world???
For the last MANY years I pay particular attention to the Hunters I see afield and shooters I see at various Rifle ranges and these Hunters/shooters prefer and use more Leupolds by a LARGE Margin!
Case in point there 65BR - go obtain the last four issues of Eastmans Hunting Journal (I have them on hand in case YOU can't obtain them).
Then carefully peruse the "Equipment List" that accompanies virtually every Hunting article that they include in their fine magazine.
You WILL notice that Leupold scopes are used by more of their authors/Hunters than any other brand!
And these are SUCCESSFUL and sophisticated Hunters by the way.
I wonder why so many of them use Leupold scopes???
Your baseless attempt (posting) at besmirching Leupold scopes holds absolutely NO creedence what so ever with me nor with legions of other successful and sophisticated Hunters/shooters!
I have used and currently own products made by Zeiss and about a dozen and a half other optical companies but when the chips are down I trust Leupold scopes explicitly!
Your ignorant comment about "Leupold not being on the cutting edge of technology" just proves my point - YOU are ignorant!
Leupold has led the way in scope innovation for DECADES!
Sorry to be so blunt with you but you are just another ignorant and unsuccessful Leupold basher!
Leupold scopes are an excellent investment of ones monies and are a reliable and excellent performing scope - thats why they are the number one selling scope in the world.
Long live Leupold & Stevens Company!
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That why Luphld mak lot part in China!! Put on chip go to USA. Afta open cntaner Luphld put cap on thn say Made USA!!
If cope brk send to uncle Cho he run brk fis dept at Luphld aso raundry dwntwn!
Erremus hep uncle Cho mak dimond coat fo lenz---Veeeery Pretty!!
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What I find amazing is that leupold is still able to sell VX-I and VX-II scopes built with 47yo technology. Actually, their revolutionary Twilight enhanced "technology" is only 60 years behind Zeiss.
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47 yr. olf technology ? Leupold didn't make fully multicoated scopes until the early 90's. What they made then, and still make are the best in reliable scopes. Scopes that are also very user friendly.
Some of you guys are really funny. The reticle of the Conquest is sharper than the ones in a Leupold ? BS.
If properly focused, they are equally sharp.
Leupold's reticles change colors ? So what ? Doesn't affect the performance of the scope. E Don't forget to mention the legendary repair service..
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Some of you guys are really funny. The reticle of the Conquest is sharper than the ones in a Leupold ? BS.
Very true E, the etched Leupold reticles look just like the Conquest reticles, wire or electoform, not so much!!!
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Etched reticles are the way to go but not everyone cares or understands.
Ziess simply does not have great reticle to compare. Someday but not now.
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Never looked thru a Ziess. OTOH, my Zeiss looks great to my eyes.
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Never looked thru a Ziess. OTOH, my Zeiss looks great to my eyes. 
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