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If You come on here and come close to bad mouthing the .270, the azzholes come unglued !
I can run 139/140 gr. 280's all day at 3150.... I can run 140 gr 270's all day at 3300
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If You come on here and come close to bad mouthing the .270, the azzholes come unglued !
I can run 139/140 gr. 280's all day at 3150. You might get 3200 in a 270 with 130's if You push it and add bbl length.
Your 270 cant run 140's as fast and after that take your pick on bullet weights !
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Can the 270 shoot anything over 150 very adequate ?
Go check B.C.'s
Oh the 270 has killed everything in the world, and so has a .22 if you really want to look !
The 280 can do everything a 270 can do and above 130gr. it does it all better !
Give me some tried and true facts of why the 270 is better ? Because Jack said so ? Jack told Warren Paige he should have built a 280 rather than a 270 , because it was a better all around cartridge. Paige had built a 280 , but didnt have the heart to tell Jack. O'Connor didnt know enough about the 270 either I guess ?
Kev This is mostly BS....  ..it was not Page who had this conversation with JOC; it was Carmichael.So you're wrong there.Get your facts straight......if JOC loved the 280 so much, he had plenty of time and opportunity to get one,and shoot animals with it.....show me where he says he did......you can't and you won't find it anywhere either.....because he never did that he wrote about. Second, your velocities are all wet....I've run 140's at 3150 from a 280....the primer pockets were loose with the first firing...3050 or so with a 140 is about "it" in both cartridges.That has been pretty true with all the 280's I've owned.....with R22 we hit about 3080 or so....but that's it.... And Kev.......calling people azzholes because you are losing an argument is not very nice....tsk tsk......
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Side by each comparisons,never ain't revealing................. That's a fact, but selective interpretation & extrapolation is sometimes a sight to behold............... MM Don't forget the interpolation of the prognostication. Side by side comparisons require extreme postulation, discounting of course the obfuscation. Laughin' here............... This stuff is so old, hashed & re-hashed, sliced & diced, that it's now new..............yet again. But FWIW, I am re-barreling one of my standard 280's to the AI version. MM I'll happily throw a belt away and eek another round in the belly...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I'll happily throw a belt away and eek another round in the belly...............
Doubt you need it.... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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i get a kick out of these types of discussions.
270,280,7mm rem,30-06 etc are all peas in a pod.
Every one of them will shoot as far and kill as well as the other one.
Belts and "efficency?"- Gack - differences are minutia of the overstimulated mind.
learn to shoot the one you have chosen - no need to down grade any others.
Never tell your problems to anyone. 20% don't care and 80% are glad you have em.
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My readings refer to Paige and O'Connor must have said it if you say it was JOC and I say WP. You must not know what your doing if you cant get 3150 out of a 280 with 139-140's I have 3 that will do it without any primer issues.
You havent agred on the heavier bullet weights either? seems the facts cant be over turned , so I wouldnt say I'm losing anything. I am just with a bunch of 270 lovers, that s all !
Looks like my BS as You call it gets less and less all the time ? Are you familiar with Tony Boyer ? He helped with a lot of my early loads for the 280 and it isnt hard to get said velocities out of several 280's we shot ! Sounds like Your all wet, he is very reputable, do You want his phone # ? You probably dont even have clue who he is anyway ! Google him and see what you find.
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Who you wound up on now and what are you gonna read next?....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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My readings refer to Paige and O'Connor must have said it if you say it was JOC and I say WP. You must not know what your doing if you cant get 3150 out of a 280 with 139-140's I have 3 that will do it without any primer issues.
You havent agred on the heavier bullet weights either? seems the facts cant be over turned , so I wouldnt say I'm losing anything. I am just with a bunch of 270 lovers, that s all !
Looks like my BS as You call it gets less and less all the time ? Are you familiar with Tony Boyer ? He helped with a lot of my early loads for the 280 and it isnt hard to get said velocities out of several 280's we shot ! Sounds like Your all wet, he is very reputable, do You want his phone # ? You probably dont even have clue who he is anyway ! Google him and see what you find.
Kev
You are a consummate name dropper, aren't you! You must also have two d!cks, because there is no way in hell you could get that obnoxiously annoying by tugging on just one. I just thank the Lord that we did not pick a different car colour to you.
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I dont have 2, but there is certainly more than one on this thread ! Your the one hanging out down under ?
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I've used the 280 quite a bit with good results but had no idea it was the be all end all. Might as well get rid of everything else, didn't know the cartridge was so magical.
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I've used the 280 quite a bit with good results but had no idea it was the be all end all. Might as well get rid of everything else, didn't know the cartridge was so magical. You know, let this topic speak for itself. There is a loyal following which, there should be. I compare the 280 to the 7 mm MAG and its close, close enough to buy one or the other but not both. Regardless, it's a great North American catridge.
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If You come on here and come close to bad mouthing the .270, the azzholes come unglued !
I can run 139/140 gr. 280's all day at 3150. You might get 3200 in a 270 with 130's if You push it and add bbl length.
Your 270 cant run 140's as fast and after that take your pick on bullet weights !
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Can the 270 shoot anything over 150 very adequate ?
Go check B.C.'s
Oh the 270 has killed everything in the world, and so has a .22 if you really want to look !
The 280 can do everything a 270 can do and above 130gr. it does it all better !
Give me some tried and true facts of why the 270 is better ? This is mostly BS.... ..it was not Page who had this conversation with JOC; it was Carmichael.So you're wrong there.Get your facts straight......if JOC loved the 280 so much, he had plenty of time and opportunity to get one,and shoot animals with it.....show me where he says he did......you can't and you won't find it anywhere either.....because he never did that he wrote about. Second, your velocities are all wet....I've run 140's at 3150 from a 280....the primer pockets were loose with the first firing...3050 or so with a 140 is about "it" in both cartridges.That has been pretty true with all the 280's I've owned.....with R22 we hit about 3080 or so....but that's it.... No, Bob, it's not BS, it's just plain bs.......... 6.5 is a lot confused & is full of bs with the numbers he's stating, the people he's quoting & most of the rest of his comments too. I've had twice as many 280's as he has & loaded for as many as he's had besides, & I love the cartridge, but, facts is facts & bs ain't.......... Within acceptable CH expansion levels, using RL22, RL19 or H4831, either in a 22 or 24" barrel, 3150 with 140's doesn't happen. In order to get to that level, CHE will be over .001" on the 1st firing & that will easily put pressure over any level that I want to use on a regular basis & that means that it's probably over 65K PSI, & I ain't one to be skeered of max pressures. 3050 is about the very max at CHE of around .0005" which is as far as I'll go. 3050 with 140's is a also doable in the 270 at similar numbers. I haven't heard anyone hear say the 270 is better.......just heard some say it's not inferior. In the real world, the only place the 280 has a real advantage, is with heavier, higher BC bullets, of which there's just not much available for the 270 & that's where the 280 really shines. As far as being "close" to the 7 Rem Mag, only a vivid imagination & a great deal of reading gun rags & never having the 2 to compare, might get one to that conclusion. 3170 with a 160 easy in the 7 Mag & that number is 7 Mag territory, period; 2900 is a BIG stretch at the outside for a stock 280, though I'd gladly take more if I could. The 280 AI would be close.........& it does AI better than the 270. And Bob, yes, you are right once again, in that clueless 6.5's quote attributed to Paige really did come from Carmichael. Them that knows, knows; them that don't usually never do, window lickers being in that class, too. MM
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Heh heh, I am betting that you left gouge marks on your desktop with your finger nails just now.
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Nope ! Actually laughing at the people with no clue ! They cant except the reality ! I found the .270 CULT !
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Nope ! Actually laughing at the people with no clue !
K~ Look in the mirror......no cults here,since I,for one, have used both to load for and shoot animals,and not just one lousy Remington MR,but quite a few(280's, I'd say 6-8?;270's likely in excess of 30 by now, maybe more.),both factory and custom with different barrels. My view is not "cult like"......Purely reality based. Any moron can prove a point by cramming more powder in a case and running a cartridge throught the roof. Also,actually shooting animals with both cartridges will demonstrate,to anyone of reasonable intelligence,that the differences between the two cartridges lies largely in the realm of theory.....and more likely the bullets used in each,than any inherent superiority of one cartridge over the other. I still have not heard, from you,the substantive differences between the two cartridges in terms teminal effect,and the vastly superior differences in ballistics. Nor do I expect to....because you are "guessing",which ain't smart, on here. Anyone who owns as many cartridges as you do,looking to fill imaginary and delusional niches in the cartridge lineup,is still "guessing".....sorry.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Nope ! Actually laughing at the people with no clue K~ Laughing, because you are looking in the mirror
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Hell, everybody knows the .270 is one of the greatest cartridges ever put together, and that the .280 is just is good. The real question is... "Why do sensitive people prefer the .270?" 
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The 270 is the second worst use of the '06 hull,when talking .308" bores and under.
The '06 being first...................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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and the better/best use of the '06 hull going the other way is..
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