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Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! BCSteve #4786142 01/05/11
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,465 Northern Arizona S SU35 Campfire Outfitter
SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,465 Northern Arizona	Thank you Steve for all your effort. It's greatly appreciated.

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Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! SU35 #4786186 01/05/11
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,225 Snohomish, WA lovemy99 Campfire Outfitter
lovemy99 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,225 Snohomish, WA	I'm not a reloader and generally believe that a decent cup and core bullet, used with in a reasonable range, appropriate size for game, pointed at the right place, etc etc, etc... will get the job done... that said, this was eye-opening. I look forward to one day being a reloader and really appreciate you taking the time to not only do this experiment but lay it out so professionally and straight forward for the ppl here on the fire. Many thanks! Andrew

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! lovemy99 #4786461 01/05/11
Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,653 Indiana pointer Campfire Outfitter
pointer Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,653 Indiana	Very timely as I'm picking up my first .264" bored rifle tonight. Thanks Last edited by pointer; 01/05/11.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! BCSteve #4787043 01/05/11
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter
Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level	Originally Posted by BCSteve I'll play some more with the pictures tomorrow. Can't figure out why they won't show up, the codes are the same. You hit the limit of 10 per post. BTDT on this forum. Editied to add - should have reead more - looks like you figured that out. Thanks for the pics and data. Last edited by Coyote_Hunter; 01/05/11. Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! Coyote_Hunter #4787175 01/05/11
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,590 Liberty Hill, TX clark98ut Campfire Outfitter
clark98ut Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,590 Liberty Hill, TX	Shooting the 120gr TTSXs out of my 6.5x55AI. Looks like I chose wisely...

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Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! GregW #4787622 01/05/11
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,115 Wyoming JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter
JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,115 Wyoming	Originally Posted by GregW Punching elk shoulders with that 140 VLD does not look like something I'd want to try... It is something I love to do and have done, a lot. John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! BCSteve #4787687 01/05/11
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23,319 Oklahoma OrangeOkie Campfire Ranger
OrangeOkie Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 23,319 Oklahoma	Originally Posted by BCSteve Anybody knows howcome I can't get the pics of the Gameking and down to show up?? I copied one of your pics and it seems to post ok for me. "All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! OrangeOkie #4788011 01/06/11
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,463 Kentucky Biathlonman Campfire Tracker
Biathlonman Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,463 Kentucky	You're the man Steve. FANTASTIC work again.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! Biathlonman #4788060 01/06/11
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 534 Somewhere between here & there D DAMARA Campfire Regular
DAMARA Campfire Regular D Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 534 Somewhere between here & there	only one missing is the 100 grain TTSX @ 3000 fps

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! DAMARA #4788080 01/06/11
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,295 Central Idaho L logcutter Campfire Tracker
logcutter Campfire Tracker L Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,295 Central Idaho	I know how time consuming and fun these test are. Thanks Steve. Jayco

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Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! logcutter #4788126 01/06/11
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter
Coyote_Hunter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,651 6491 Feet Above Sea Level	Originally Posted by BCSteve Same as the first test. The impact velocity was made to duplicate modern 6.5X55 loads and .260 Rem at 100 yds. Cast bullets were approximately 1500fps. Approximate impact velocity: 85-100gr.............2850-2900fps 120gr..................2750-2800fps 125gr..................2600-2700fps 129-130gr............2550-2600fps 140gr-142.5gr.......2500-2550fps 156-160gr............2400-2500fps 168gr..................2300-2400fps Now I�d like to see the same results for .264 Win Mag velocities at close range� Approximate impact velocity: 85-100gr.............3400-3650fps 120gr..................3200-3250fps 125gr..................3050-3100fps 129-130gr............3050-3100fps 140gr-142.5gr.......2950-3000fps 156-160gr............2800-2850fps 168gr..................2650-2700fps I suspect some of the bullets that didn�t fare too well at the 100-yard 6x55 velocities would fare much worse. Even at my 6.5-06AI velocities, I agree with GregW � the 140g Berger is not one I would choose to use, especially if close range impacts were a possibility � which they almost always are. Extrapolating the results up or down in caliber and adding velocity explains why I choose the bullets I do for my loads: 3200fps = Roberts 100g TTSX 3150fps = Roberts 110g AccuBond 2950fps = Roberts 120g A-Frame 3150fps = 6.5-06AI 130g Scirocco 3350fps = 7mm RM 140g TTSX 3200fps = 7mm RM 140g North Fork 3000fps = .30-06 150g AccuBond 2900fps = .30-06 165g North Fork 2900fps = .30-06 168g TTSX 3200fps = .300WM 168g TTSX 3050fps = .300W 180g North Fork 3050fps = .300W 180g MRX While I�ve never used newspaper, I have tested close range impacts in clay and water and actual game and even at high velocities the North Fork, MRX, TTSX and A-Frame do well. (Haven�t tested the Scirocco of AccuBond except on game at ranges that don�t come close to �close�.) YMMV Thanks for all the work, Steve � good job! Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE! No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's. A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! logcutter #4788132 01/06/11
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prm Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748	BCSteve, I really enjoyed this, thanks! Now I want to do this for 338 bullets out of my 338 Fed. I better start collecting newspaper! Did you shoot a couple into each stack of newspaper (maybe the three of each bullet?) attempting to separate aimpoints? I was thinking of tying equal stacks of newspaper together and then placing them in a large bucket. Soak them for a day prior to shooting (draining prior to shooting) and I want to top it off with .5" oak to simulate some bone (open to suggestions for another easily obtainable substance).

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! JohnBurns #4788213 01/06/11
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GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country	Originally Posted by JohnBurns Originally Posted by GregW Punching elk shoulders with that 140 VLD does not look like something I'd want to try... It is something I love to do and have done, a lot. Sounds great! - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! DAMARA #4788791 01/06/11
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,697 Utah Azar Campfire Regular
Azar Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,697 Utah	Originally Posted by DAMARA only one missing is the 100 grain TTSX @ 3000 fps Well, not the ONLY one. But I won't complain! Steve has obviously put a lot of time and resources into doing this and his work is very much appreciated. I'm still of the opinion that if you want a bullet tested that he doesn't have get a mailing address and send him a sample to test. I can't imagine how expensive it must be to test all the different options out there. Ideas for part III: Barnes 100g TTSX Berger 130g VLD Nosler 100g Ballistic Tip Nosler 100g Partition Nosler 130g Accubond Hornady 100g SP Hornady 120g GMX Hornady 129g Interbond Hornady 129g SST Lapua 123g Scenar Lapua 139g Scenar Norma 156g Oryx Remington 120g Core-lokt Remington 140g Core-lokt Remington 140g Core-lokt Ultra Bonded Sierra 100g Varminter Sierra 120g ProHunter Speer 140g DeepCurl Woodleigh 140g I have some 129g SST's and some 140g Core-lokts I could potentially donate. “There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” ― Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man's Fear

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! Azar #4789462 01/06/11
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,742 C.S.A. SAKO75 Campfire Tracker
SAKO75 Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,742 C.S.A.	i could send a couple 100 TTSX's "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered." ― George Orwell, 1984

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! SAKO75 #4789491 01/06/11
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 782 New Brunswick, Canada Colin_Matchett Campfire Regular
Colin_Matchett Campfire Regular Joined: May 2004 Posts: 782 New Brunswick, Canada	Great work Steve! "I am at heart a meat hunter." John Barsness, The Life of the Hunt

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! BCSteve #4790931 01/06/11
Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,279 Brad Campfire 'Bwana
Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,279	Steve, outstanding! Do you have the pics from the Part I? They're no longer showing... “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! Brad #4791359 01/06/11
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,665 BC, Canada B BCSteve OP Campfire Regular
OP BCSteve Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,665 BC, Canada	They are in the link I posted on my first post but on the third page I think. I originaly lost the pics on the host site I was using and since their is no "edit" function, I had to repost them further on the thread.

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! BCSteve #4791957 01/07/11
Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,279 Brad Campfire 'Bwana
Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,279	Thanks. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Huge .264 bullet test Part Deux! Brad #4793124 01/07/11
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,950 Michigan Big_Redhead Campfire Tracker
Big_Redhead Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,950 Michigan	Thank you for sharing. Awesome work! It looks like the performance of the 120 TTSX and A-frame would be hard to beat. Our God reigns. Harrumph!!! I often use quick reply. My posts are not directed toward any specific person unless I mention them by name.

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