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I agree with the sentiment, but, like VLDs, would expect them to work reliably on most shots I have taken. With North Fork, MRX, TTSX and others, 3,000 fps is not an upper limit that I worry about, nor is expansion at 1800fps a concern.

As long as other bullets work reliably for me on animals from antelope to elk, as the North Fork, MRX, TTSX and others do, I�ll pass on the VLDs for hunting purposes.

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I actually shoot bullets from most every bullet swager out there. Nearly all of them will kill stuff. I just cannot condemn any of them especially when my experiance with them contradicts most people's theories.

The Bergers simply use a different concept of killing....

Interesting......

There are no "different concepts of killing".

All bullets "kill" through the mechanical destruction of tissue and bone...how much tissue is destroyed is a function of their design/build characteristics,impact velocity,rate of expansion,and the medium into which they are fired.

A hunting bullets'first job is to penetrate,second to expand....no necromancy involved.

With soft tissue hits,no bullet "guarantees" DRT....anyone with any hunting experience knows this.

I have no problem with anyone using any bullet they have confidence in....but some stuff I have seen runs pretty contrary to "VLD" wisdom....at one point I had killed 12-13 head of game,pretty much consecutively, that were essentially "DRT"; using various calibers and weights of Bitterroots at pretty high velocity(of course as with all great things, the string eventually ended;I suspect it was as much dumb luck as well as a great bullet).

...this is a bullet that does NOT fragment...at all.....rather, it opens pretty rapidly to a very wide frontal area,holds that broad frontal area until it is stopped or exits;very high weight retention..barnes like...through passage through the animal....

There was plenty of damage,and very dead critters....to claim any of this as "old school" is.....utter nonsense....and demonstrates lack of experience

I have long suspected that this....not fragmentation...is what makes things like BT's and possibly VLD's...to kill quickly...rapid expansion to a broad frontal area within vitals,crushing them rapidly in an area around the wound channel,not shards of core and jacket...problem is we can't "see" this happen,and design characteristics of the bullet do not leave the evidence,because the bullet has been destroyed during its' journey....so we assume this fragmentation created the wound channel....maybe to some degree,but I suspect the bulk of damage is done by the broad face of the expanded frontal area and not by some grenade-like effect....but what do I know?

I have come to view claims of "magic" results with BG bullets about the same as promises of tax breaks from politicians....both claims can prove illusory..and unlikely to occur.Your notions may vary.....

Squeeze:Relax...I know they work because I believe Mule Deer and John Burns,both of whom say they are good in their niche. If I was able to go beyond 600 yards on a regular basis,I might try them myself.

..................Ok! I`ll rephrase! The VLD`s killing affects are different. But nevertheless, Berger`s VLD concept as to the WAY they kill, is different.. There`s no damn magic in the VLDs. Nothing magical about them.

I judge the bul.lets I use which include the VLDs,,,,by the final end result. And by comparison, most conventional bullets, even though capable of DRT kills, are more `ol school and more traditional compared to the VLD way of killing game.

Given a well placed shot on any bull elk on the N/A continent and do so at a 30 degree angle or less, my money is on the VLD (of the proper bullet weight) to win every time.

When in the hunting fields I prefer my "bergers" between 2 pieces of bread

...................Yep! And when in the hunting fields, my Berger VLDs guarantee "elk" burgers.

There are bullets with a better guarantee when after Elk burgers