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MD,

The Velocitors shoot about the same as the PP's out of my ULA. PP's have always been great killers for me: g'hogs, fox, and do a number on crows (I hate crows). Have yet needed more than one shot (that danged single shot is slow to reload, have make that first one count).

Never tried the V's enough to get a valid opinion if they kill any better or not.

Best,
JB

C&B,

The Stinger bullet design was changed some time ago. Maybe early 90's or late 80's?

JB

Bought a brick of Power Points about a month ago to use for hunting this year. Many guys over on Rimfirecentral recommended them, so I bought some to try.
Prompted by your quiestion, I decided that now is the time for some testing.
I shot the ammo in 5 different rifles to see how it performed. These rifles were, an older Rem 510, Ruger 10-22 with factory lapped barrel, 10-22 with a Green Mountain barrel, Winchester Model 52B Repro and a Martini Mk II target rifle. All rifles are scoped with parallax set to 50 yards, the range I was shooting.
The Power Points would not shoot in any of the rifles. Accuracy was 1 1/4", or worse, for 5 shots at the 50 yards with each rifle.
All of these rifle will shoot very well, with the 510 being the least accurate at 7/16" for 5 shots with ammo it likes, at our 50 yard range. The Martini will shoot regularly in the teens with a Mitchell 2 1/2" 32 power scope. I shot the Martini yesterday with the Power Points. Initial groups were over 1" at 50 yards for 5 shots. However, the groups tightened up after shooting several groups rapidly without a break. At the end of that string of groups, I was down to a 3/4" group. I then took a break for about 20 minutes to talk to a shooting buddy. I decided to see how it would shoot with a cool barrel, and the first two shots were 1 1/2" apart.. So, I stopped shooting it at that point.
The Power Points in the brick I bought are useless for a hunting round.
Don

Don--

Did you measure the bullet diameter, just in front of the case mouth? Would be very grateful for the information.

MD

Don,

I'd be interested in a lot number if you have it available. I'm getting ready to re-supply and don't want to have a problem.

TIA,
JB

MD,
Just measured 15 Power Points. They ran from .2245 to .226.
Might be a little big for my 22's.
JB
I sorted all of the Power Points by weight right after I bought the brick. After sorting, I put the ammo in boxes that have the plastic template for the rounds to sit in. I threw all of the original boxes, and the big box it came in, away. So, I don't have the lot number.

MD and JB,
If you want any that I have to play with, I'd be happy to send you some. Just PM me you address and I send it UPS. It's sorted to .1 grain.

Don

MuleDeer,

I've had my new left handed .22lr CZ 452 American out to the range a few times. I've tried target and match grade ammo and so far it seems to like them all, easily putting them in 1/2" at 50 yards. I'm going to have to try those Winchester Power Points.

PS. The CCI stingers I've tried where very tight in my chamber, and went about 1" at 50 yards. They were also shoot a lot higher than the target grade.

P.S.S. Have you tried Winchester Wildcat ammo? I've hear that they are usually pretty good.

Leo

Just returned from the range where I shot some Power Points in a Suhl. They shot very poorly; same story as before, all over the target in a 2" group at 50 yards.
Must have gotten a bad lot..
Incidentally, the Suhl has a twist of one turn in 17 3/16". It just eats up Wolf Match Target however.
Don

Uh oh, shooting poorly out of a Suhl does not sound good at all....

I have a ULA .22 it's a repeater but most of the time it thinks it's a single shot. :confused <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Lefty

The last two bricks I bought were just fairly accurate -- ~3/4" group at 50 yds, where before I got 3/8" to 1/2". I saw a few slivers of lead around the case mouth. The bullets did not look as uniform as previous bricks and I quite buying them.

It's been a long, long time since I refreshed my hoarde of rimfire ammo. That stash would include some Power Points and a lot of American Eagle hollow-points. Both shoot very well from my 541-T. I think the newest of all my rimfire ammo must be from the early 90s.



-RR-

This weekend I went out a bought some Winchester Power Points and Winchester Wildcats. You know those little black circle target(~4" diam) that turn that greenish color when hit you can buy at Walmart? I could get all five shots into the center ring at 50yards with both the PowerPoints and Wildcats. I was fairly impressed for such cheapy ammunition. Especially after buying target and match grade ammo.

Oh, Winchester Power points don't shot that accurate out of my S&W 617 revolver. That particular handgun seems to prefer Federal Gold ammo.

My favorite 22RF ammo for most of the 70s and 80s was the CCI Mini Mag HP. CCI Stingers never came close to the same accuracy levels as their MMs did. Once fired a one inch 5 shot group at 100yds with the old MMs and my Win. M320. Last time I tried that with today's MMs, the group was closer to two inches. Maybe the ammo's still fine and I've GTH?
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Years ago I discovered WW Dynapoints which were then only available at KMarts. Still probably have well over a thousand rounds of that stuff. They shoot very well in just about every 22 I own.

I bought bricks of WW Wildcats for my kid when he started shooting back in the late 70s, (he was about 4 or 5 then). His granny used to pick him up a brick of that stuff anytime he asked for it, so we always had plenty on hand through his twerp years. Once I headed up to our cabin when the kid was already up there with my parents and stopped for a brick of Wildcats on the way, Mom had brought two bricks along herself. Lord how she spoiled that boy.

Wildcats shoot tighter groups in my crusty Romanian trainer at 50 yards, than anything going, including pricey target ammo. That thing has averaged an honest 3/4" with 'Wildcats at 50 yards for years, although it has churned out more than a few 1/2" groups.

Nothing Remington ever made in a 22 rimfire cartridge, has suited me or any of the rifles I've owned, especially the 1022 that has only ever jammed on Remington ammo.

John,
Sorry to miss your thread on the Power Points. I've been shooting them now for about 10 years but the Winchester Power Points I'm shooting were made in Australia by Olln. They are in a orange and yellow box with a bigger hollow point that the newer Power Point ammo and hit alot harder. My 10-22 Butler Creek conversion shoot these in the hi .2's and low .3s at 50 yards and last year I got the smallest group at our BR-50 match with a .158. They seem to shoot in both my .22 Remington 40x to my Kimber. It was great seeing you at the Red Mist and if you want to try some of this ammo, let me know.
Tim

fwiw,
This is a bit off topic, however, I had a similar experience with Federal's Old 711 Standard Velocity Target Load. Bought two bricks in 97' that shot bugholes with my Kimber 82C 1 of 750 at 50 yards. This at less than $20 a brick...

Fast forward a few years and Federal evidently changed this load. The new 711, which may be 711B if memory serves, shot nothing like as well as the original. I have since read that Federal used the original 711 as a "blueprint" round to develop their better rimfire lines such as Ultramatch. It would seem that much of that progress was shot in the head with a change of ownership/management...

Regards, Matt.

Nothing but blind loyalty to the WIn PP. I use them for everything in all my .22's. Even my Nylon 66 drills holes with them at 25 yards and iron sights.

Used to be a "golden bullet" HP fan, but the PP beat it by 100 fps with consistent accuracy and I never looked back.

Stingers are neat, the CCI QuickShock are interesting, but not nearly as accurate.

I gave about 2000 rounds of misc. .22 stuff (including golden rem's) to my dad as a pre-fathers-day gift. He's not a "shooter" so it should last him a while.

TM

Tim--

Thanks for the offer, but I now have PP's from FIVE different sources to check, and the wind hasn't been light enough to do it for a few days. (Don't ever expect it to stop in Montana, but do hope to have it below 15 mph. With wind flags can cope with that....)

It was very good seeing you too. I was able to be home for 2 days, then off to another dog shoot in eastern Montana, which also went very well--almost 700 rounds one day. We got lucky again and encountered blue sky between the rainstorms!

Did not take the .22 on this one, instead a .22 Magnum (9422) with Win. 40 HP's which shoot great out if it. Also my favorite Ruger 1B Hornet, which as seems to happen in recent years got the biggest workout. Also shot quite a few with Winchester's new .204 ammo. Accurate, but the 34-grain hollow-point does not send them skyward like Sierras new 32 plastic-tip. Then again, further research is always indicated....

Best,
John

DMB ended up sending me two boxes of the Power Points that wouldn't shoot for him. I just got to test them yesterday afternoon. The rifle was my CZ 452 sporter with a 3-9x Burris Compact with AO that has performed very well on a number of .22's. Range was 50 yards.

It was dead calm when I started shooting (very unusual in the afternoon at ANY time of year in Montana) and the first group went into .41. Then a breeze started up, and after the 3rd group I decided to put up a wind flag. Finally got in six 5-shot groups before the wind was truly howling.

Had two fliers, one caused by my not snugging up the rifle to my shoulder consistently, the other by my trying to outguess the wind. If we ignore those (and I will) the six groups went into an average of .46.

The smallest was .26 (the first group after putting up the wind flag) and the largest was .59. So something else is going on here aside from the Power Points, maybe just the fact that different rifles like different loads. Must also note that this little rifle has shot everything I've tried in it so far, even CCI Velocitors, which have not shot at all well in any of my other .22's. They averaged .55 at the same range.

As an aside, the 3 Power Point groups shot without the wind flag averaged .53. The 3 groups shot with the flag averaged .39.

MD