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I savvy the sentiment..............

Thanks to all the information and advice from the experienced long range hunters. Two more weeks
and off I go and this will truly be antic-climatic if I
don't get a shot (or a bear).

As to "......you arsehole,that kind of [bleep] moronic behaviour gives hunters a bad name,and shows how much respect you had for your quarry (none).

Thor

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I see why you picked a fantasy name for your moniker.

As for "respect" I think the buffalo and I understand each other perfectly. It's the indignant, self-rightous idealists who live in a world of their own delusions that are clueless.

BTW It is amazing how much courage a person gets from the safety of cyber-space.

So, I'm curious noble hunter, how many rabbits, doves, and squirrels have you shot?

There is no difference between what you do.And what I do.I have spent hours,days and weeks glassing hill sides "HUNTING" to find an animal to harvest.The fact that I "CHOOSE" to and have the knowledge and equipment to harvest game at ranges most people can't fathom.I'm not a hunter?????Please explain how what I do is any different than someone sitting in a tree stand or blind waiting for game to come to them..At what range do "YOU" draw the line between "HUNTING" and "SHOOTING"???? Please tell me..And another thing...I will give you or anyone else an "OPEN" invite to go "HUNTING" with me.I bet you would see things in a different light after a day or two with me...

BoydHeaton,

Your invite is probably a waist of time. Ignorant prejudice is fun to hold and nearly imposible to overcome with facts.

Errrr!!! so let me get this straight...you and the buffalo understand each other perfectly..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> so you deliberately gut shot him.....ah yes!! got it now??

you know it was wrong,is wrong and always will be wrong not to try for a quick result when shooting a animal.

I hope the next animal you gutshot stomps you,but then as you will be 100000 yards away you probably think you missed and wont bother yourself going to look.

Long range shooting sure....but not hunting,only in the US do we do this kind of thing...from what I can gather
Thor222

I am waiting for someone to tell me why it is "NOT" hunting

Ok I am rolling along in my truck,and think I see something in the distance way off to one side.
I stop my truck get out and glass the area,sure enough its a shootable (add long range target here) I get my GPS lazer guided nasa spec. range finder and measure the distance to said target at (add looooong yardage here) excellant!!! lets go hunting!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Next thing I do is get my shooting bench out of the truck and set it all up,this takes a few minutes then the rifle is set up as required.....nearly there in my hunting quest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Now I get my anemometer and measure the wind direction and speed...so close now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> one final bit to do I get my laptop and configure all the relevant information into it, bullet,wind speed direction distance...the usual suspects.
ok now we are cooking <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> so back to the bench with calculation in hand, set rifle up for computed windage and bullet drop....take aim and fire....hopefully this will result in a kill.....its as simple as that job done trophy in the bag hunt over <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> the mighty nimrod has struck once more.

If you fail to realise that shooting at animals at looong ranges isn't hunting by now you probably never will,but be under no illusion although probably no one (myself included) doubts that it takes skill etc yada yada to make such shots.....most people think you are laughable and ridiculous to claim such a title for yourselves.....

Thor222

Thor,

So with that logic, I trust you shoot a single shot rifle, no scope, in a medium cartridge like a 30-30.
To use a repeater, scope and use a military cartridge like the
'06 is not hunting.
Where do you draw the line? The rules or standards you set for yourself are you setting for other people?

There is an art and science with hunting, it may seem more science with some but none the less it is hunting.

My buddy bowhunts with a recurve and tells me using a compound to shoot past 25 yards is not hunting. Kinda of stupid is it not?

Just curious, what is long range for you?

So I guess that you bow hunt and anything past 20 yards is not hunting? As I see it hunting is about the taking of an animal for food just as it was in the old days how you acomplish this does not change the fact that it is still hunting

I had a feeling you were ignorant to how Long Range Hunting is done.After your post the "FEELING" has turned to "KNOWING" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

yep just as I said...if you haven't got it by now you probably wont ever. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

A few things to note though about all you loooong range "hunters" I didn't notice many condeming the deliberate gut shooting of a animal....does this sum up your ethos or is "buffhunter" a isolated instance?

Also who actually believes that buffhunter actually did what he said from 30 yards? like he claimed MMmmmm I smell BS
On top off the "I want to take a bear at 500 yards etc etc remark who is kidding who here?
as stated not knocking your shooting ability no sireee....hunting ability oh yes.
putting food on the table is certainly one thing keeping hunger from the door etc, how its done is quite another matter.

Thor222

222.You still have'nt answered my ?...So if I go to Texas,get drivin to a blind over looking a Sendero.Can see 400 yards both ways.Climb up in my blind,get out my bino's.Glass all day to find a nice buck to shoot.Is that hunting???

I can't figure why you're here posting on "Long Range Hunting" are you strolling or trolling?

JWP...I don't think we will ever get an answer out of this guy or girl.All I have read is a bunch of crap on how they think its done....Takes all kinds I guess

We Killed one with one shot last year at 675 yards.

Ditto, Boyd. I killed two Antelope last year with two consecutive shots at 502 and 525 yds, respectively. The first was with a .308, believe it or not...

500 yards for guys like you and me are chip shots.Inside 750 the 308 to me is just fine on deer size game.....The bear we took last year was killed 675 yards with one 210gr JLK vld MATCH bullet that left the barrel of my 30 inch 300 RUM at 3350fps.(THAT OUGHT TO START SOMETHING)Match bullets on game...NO WAY!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thor222

I'm easing along in the woods. With my old compound bow. I spy a buck walking a trail. I've never been in this neck of the woods but its windy and he doesn't know I'm there.

I pull down my headnet all the way. Roll my cap around so the bill won't hit the string.

I know the ballistics of my bow awful good. Unfortunately I'm shooting a low BC arrow combo. I prefer the penetration capabilities.

But I do have a few good things going. I've got on comfortable warm waterproof new boots. The latest in high tech underwear to keep me warm(no cotton) but good old wool over that. I've got goretex in the pack in case it rains. I've got a layer of scent blocker suit on in the middle. I've washed with unscented soap, treated myself with baking soda, I'm a mix of new and old. Got that xstatic bacteria preventing longies on. Warm and dry. Have some of the new camo patterns too that help me blend in well. But no ghille suit. Heck those are so outdated anyway-- from centuries back....

The terrain is down a draw. So there is a gully between myself and the deer. Being I've never been here I don't know yardage. But I do know that if I miss guess more than a yard or two and its over 20 yards (which it is but just a bit) then I'll either miss or have a superficial non life threatening wound. Don't need that under my belt. So I take out my old rangefinder and spin the wheel while the buck is nibbling along. Got it now. 23 yards. I was thinking more like 27 but that gully can fool ya. I've always hunted with one sight pin thats adjustable. Its an easy way to work it and won't get me confused in the heat of the moment.

I move my pin to 23 yards. The wind from the fresh norther is really howling in my face and in my favor. But its blowing my arm and bow around fierce. So i ease back and lean back and sideways against the near tree. Gives me a good solid rest.

I draw back with my release(its from the 70s so don't go howling after all the chinese used them centuries ago) and settle my sights through my peep.

When the buck is head down and quartering away a bit I trip the release and the old 2117 and Zwickey are on the way.

Solid double hemo pneumo thorax hit. Give it some time and go get him.

So is that hunting? its not long range. takes advantage of tools that I don't need to use but are not any newer than 23 years(bow is 23 years old, arrrows, release, heads etc. are older).

Its all in how you view it yourself. Its why this thread is so lame anyway. Remember we are to band together. Not apart and call names.

I've killed animals with my knife, with a broken arrow. Both at zero distance IE I've had hold of them. I've used a spear. A longbow, recurve, compound. Wood arrows, aluminum, carbon. All kinds of heads INCLUDING flint. I've used pistols, 45s, 3 inch 44s, 357s, 3030 contenders. I've used shotguns, slugs and buckshot. I've used a bunch of rifles. I've shot 45,50,54 MZs. And MZ pistols.

Each one was an experience. From zero yards to 3 yards to over 500 with iron sights to over 800 with scopes.

And in the end it doesn't mean anything to you and I could care less. But to me they were all special and memorable. None much more important or exciting than the rest.

We are here to please ourselves. Its a solitary sport mostly.

Personally anything mentioned here is hunting.

And IMHO, the easier the shots that are taken, IE 100 yards out of a stand, are probably closer to shooting than hunting, than when the person makes it challenging. Its the nature of the beast and often of the male ego to keep it interesting.

The end point here should be that if you are capable only at 50 yards then you don't stretch that. I'm a bowhunter a bunch. Whats my lethal range? Depends on which bow I choose and what game I'm after. Its a variable. But I know my limitations and choose not to exceed them, regardless of the quarry, small or record book size.

The rest, including yourself, would be best served to look inward, rather than casting stones outward.

Am I far from the truth here?

Respectfully, Jeff

Yep now that the back slapping and whooping and chest beating is out in the open you just chip shot yourself into the
class A***hole executive lounge.

Rost459 nice hunting story with your bow there.

Heres the difference between your story and the LD shooter one,you have managed to get or have waited for the animal to come into the zone inside which the animal would perceive danger ( if it knew you were there ) that takes hunting skill and landcraft.
If a LD shooter sets up all his equipment wearing (perhaps appropriately ) a clowns outfit complete with flashing light on top to take his 800 yard shot at a deer, that is outside the area of what a deer (in my experience) would regard as immediately threatening...it sees you knows your there what is it likely to do?...nothing most likely from that range.
So tell me mighty nimrods where does the term hunting apply here?

Buffhunter a suggestion for you,if you want to know about shooting buffalo or anything else african why not try www.accuratereloading.com try the "I deliberately gut shot a buff at 30 yards yarn there"...purely as a matter of interest of course <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Personally I think the only buff you have had will be on your shoes before another day in the office <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thor222

FWIW my 3 yard shot on a whitetail I was checking an area in jeans and a white T shirt, no camo, no bath, lucky winds. Carried the recurve just in case. If thats no a clown suit and up close, well never mind.

I think I fail to see where you draw the line-- am I missing something. If we are going to go by saftey zones, sight smell etc... then the hunter in the box stand at 100 yards or less, well the deer could never see them, never smell them in the tight blinds I've been in. We can watch TV, run a heater, have a conversation, film etc.... the deer don't have a clue.

If you can draw a clear line-which again IMHO is impossible-- please have at it. All you'll do is divide the ranks further.

You may not term it hunting per your parameters. But one thing you cannot argue is skill level. I can guarantee that the skill level for the 3 yard bow shot is much less than for the LR shot. And there is no skill level to mention with a 100-200 yard rifle shot or a 50 yard pistol shot. Where is there any skill in sitting in a tree over a trail, beside a feeder, in front of a food plot and having a deer or XYZ come within 20-30 yards or less. The shot is a gimme. As it should be.

Are we not all in the woods to enjoy? Why should I say your flintlock is stupid compared to my recurve. Or my recurve to your compound or why is my compound too modern compared to your longbow. Or atlatl. They are all simply tools of choice. Whatever floats your boat.

What we do not need is division. I am a competitive shooter. I"ve never shot 1000 Yd BR like Boyd and others(sorry I can't recall all the names). I dont' dislike their competition. I can't say I've walked a mile in their shoes. I prefer to lay on my belly with a rifle at 1000. And not with a scope. With iron sights under parameters that allow my AR15 service rifle and shoot away and win matches. And I'm a laugh when I hit a shotgun range. And mostly a pistol range is a laugh too. I've only 20 points towards my pistol badge so you can see I 'm no shining light there.

My point is we still need each other. The enemy here is not me because if I feel like it I'll dink a deer at 800 yards and YCKMA. Or because I choose to shoot a doe with my recurve while you are a trophy hunter.

The enemy here is not the anti hunter or anti shooter. Or Charles Schumer or Hillary Clinton. There is no clear enemy. We do not have to worry about fighting the minority here. We are the minority. The anti's are the minority. Its the 80% of the fence sitters that we have to show that we are on our own. We don't care if they play soccer, race cars etc... but that our sports are no different than theirs. And inherently much safer sports. Sports that require lots of mental skill. Sports that produce fine citizens of our younger crowd. That crowd that will shape the future of this country. And keep her free and clear. The way she was intended to be. So that all the sacrafices of the past are not in vain.

Do you see why this is a moot point? I'm efficient and enjoy what I do. I'm totally sure you are efficient and enjoy what you do. There is no need to look further. You are on my side and I on yours.

Regards, Jeff