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Originally Posted by RIO7


Dude270, We use the 105 Gr. Scenar with 41.6 Gr. H-4350 at about 3050 FPS, To cull White Tails, and have no problems with runners, unless we screw up the shot, I would bet you are gut shooting the deer you shoot, and blaming it on the bullet, PLUS 105 Gr. Scenar is not a fur friendly predator bullet. MY B.S. Meter is Running Over. Rio 7


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I recovered every animal i shot and looked at their vitals when gutting them. Not one was gut shot.

On tight behind the shoulder shots it looked like you poked a knitting needle through the first lung, the 2nd would show some bullet expansion with an exit around the size of a quarter a 50 cent piece. Once they began to expand they did fine but they were halfway through the deer before they did.

Shoulder shots through bone started the expansion sooner, but we eat shoulders so I prefer behind the shoulder placement

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Have yet to be required to track an animal is one the redeeming factors of the Scenar.


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Dude270, Your results with the 6mm Scenar vary greatly from mine.This is 3 days work. Rio7

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I've used the 30 cal 155, 6.5 139 and 123 with wonderful results

The 6mm 105 was the first I saw this behavior. As I said, the shoulder shot stuff died very quickly. It was the double lung rib shot stuff that surprised me with the 100 yard death runs. They left decent blood from the exit side to follow. I was just shocked because I've never seen one that caught a 105 amax or 108 eld go more than 30 yards.

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Dude270, I would suggest you use what works for you, have you ever tried a 45-70 405 Gr. ???? Rio7

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48.5 gr’s gets 2900 with Varget in my 22” 308


That's a stout load!

In around a dozen 308's I've never loaded beyond 47.0 Varget with a 150, but I'm pretty conservative as a handloader.


Yeah, it likely is. I plan to back it down during the off season soon. Though it is phenomenally accurate the speed is not necessary, especially since I have my 300 WSM’s for that. And, it will save me from the extended effort trying to stuff that much powder in it. I thunk I will keep it just above 2800.


I like the way you think.

Yes, I think the 308 is 2,820 +/- with a 150/155 on the upper end with a 22" bbl and Varget.


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46 VGT, 155 Scenar touches 2900 with 24" NULA


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Rio, I live and hunt Texas too. Kill lots of stuff every year. Had luck with the 6.5 123’s so I bought 1K 6mm 105’s back in the fall from PV. Unfortunately I’ve had the same issues as Dude on 6 or 8 pigs running. Hit in the neck or shoulder they go down, heart/lung shot they run 100 yds or so. From your experience I’m guessing these Bullets are inconsistent in their performance on game

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Originally Posted by PatB
Rio, I live and hunt Texas too. Kill lots of stuff every year. Had luck with the 6.5 123’s so I bought 1K 6mm 105’s back in the fall from PV. Unfortunately I’ve had the same issues as Dude on 6 or 8 pigs running. Hit in the neck or shoulder they go down, heart/lung shot they run 100 yds or so. From your experience I’m guessing these Bullets are inconsistent in their performance on game



Interesting to hear PatB.

Don't worry though, Rio will be along to tell you are full of sheit too.

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Anybody ever recovered one of them (105’s) from game?


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Dude270, You have the full schitt part of Scenar bullets Covered. Rio7

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beretzs, I have jar of recovered bullets I will look and see if any are 6mm Scenar. . Rio7

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PatB, I have shot a lot of pigs with the 105 Scenar, and have no complaints, I will say i am not a big fan of trying to shoot heart and lungs on a pig, as the heart is covered by the fore leg and real low in the chest, and if you are back a couple a inch's you gut shoot them. I prefer head,neck, shoulder, if I have that shot, this is also true on Whitetails, I am not big fan of Blood trails and tracking, trying to track a poorly shot critter in the dark sucks. no matter what it is. Rio7

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So you say you head, neck and shoulder shoot things with the 105 scenar and they drop, precisely as I said.

You say you don't like tracking so don't take behind the shoulder rib shots, which I said caused excessive running with the 105 scenar.

Yet somehow I'm either a liar, an idiot or both and I should disregard my findings and bow down to your incredible knowledge.

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I agree 100% on shot placement on pigs and tracking... But sometimes an offhand shot doesn't go exactly where I anticipated and winds up behind the shoulder. Try not to shoot offhand if there's an alternative but sometimes it happens.. Anyway, good information on this thread..
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Originally Posted by beretzs
Anybody ever recovered one of them (105’s) from game?


We caught one in a mule deer buck. It was in the far side rib. It looked like the nose sheered off and the rest looked kinda like a wadcutter. All the others exited and left nice sized exit holes

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Dude 270, You gave you opinion,and i gave mine, we agree more than we disagree, OK Rio7

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Agreed. And I appreciate the insight from somebody that's used them a lot

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Be cool to see a few. Never found a Scenar yet. Thanks fellas.

Glad this didn’t turn into a bad deal. You both added some great intel. Thank you.


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