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Tons of white, long winter and the Scenars that Scenar turned me onto are perking well in my lil 300 WSM. So, please post up pics of your victums via flight Scenar and help me relax a bit during this long butt winter.  Gracias Perro
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Have the Scenar's proven better than Bergers or is depending on rifle. I am sorry I don't have pics since I have never used the Scenar.
Also, Mark can I PM you about a non hunting/shooting subject concerning Bozeman?
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Dober, I was thinking the exact same thing the other day, must be a long Winter....(grin)
Once it warms up there are a couple deer(currently frozen) that I wanna use for bullet test dummies. Gonna be a very simple test, shoot a 155 Scenar and 175 SMK into a shoulder at about 3000fps and see what happens.
Poke the carcass with a stick and then feed the leaded up meat to some bald eagles......laughin'!
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Sounds like a good test Sammers, wish I could be there to partake in it. We should be at Logan today, bout 20 below wind chill be about model perfecto for us...grin
Just a Hunt-Pm away
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Also Sam the 155 Sce along with R17 perk real good in my 30 shorty mag.
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Almost loaded up a couple of Pat's 155's for a 100 yard Bambi test last Fall. Still haven't shot steel in over 4 months.
Can't get out to any good safe spots and it's been cold, halfway afraid to shoot the 300WSM's when its cold, weakass scope might break again.....grin
Chilly couple days/nights ahead. They must calving down that way now, gonna be some cold babies hitting the ground, not good.
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Dober,
How close to the lands are seating the Scenars?
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I know scenarshooter has posted many good pics on here I'm sure you've seen. But those were with the 308 at reasonably longer ranges if I read correctly. Not sure they would perform the same at 300 WSM velocities especially at closer ranges. Then again maybe they would be fine...
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Yeah Pats used them a lot, Stick mentions them a lot just looking to see more dead animal pics from the guys. Long winter, need pics to think of spring bruins and such.
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As someone who missed the last hunting season being away I can appreciate that there is no subject too trivial to think about when waiting for the next hunting season. I'll settle for any dead animal pics.
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I was thinking the same thing this week. Great minds thinking alike or something. Curious the results with the 155 in .30-06
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When I saw this thread I got excited thinking you were asking scenarshooter to post kill pics of his animals. His pics will NEVER get old!
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Drum-dats exactly what I'm looking for is pics of dead animals via flight Scenar. Pats used it a ton I know, Big Stick talks about it a lot so I would guess he's used it a lot as well. Just bored and wanting to see more pics of dead critters..<g>
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Mark, This is all I've been able to kill with them so far.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss344/oldslowdog/MT10Summer088.jpg) Scenarshooter's load out of my .308. Considering the huge investment I had in that gun, I was kinda a little proud of this group until I read (according to Swampman700 on the 308 hater thread) the 308 is no good and groups much better than this can be routinely shot out of Marlin lever guns. You might think about trading in those 155 Scenars on some 180 Corelocs...I hear that's where its at.  It has been a tolerably long winter so far, but it can't last forever....
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It won't last for ever bud, we'll be watching greening slopes via some good glass not too long from now. The 155's shot very well in my 300 WSM, think you're gonna likey that rig and you're more than welcome to beat the heck out of it come spring while persuin a bruin.
Lets try to catch up this weekend.
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(side note 180 CL's they are the deadiest shroom in the woods right...)
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When I saw this thread I got excited thinking you were asking scenarshooter to post kill pics of his animals. His pics will NEVER get old!
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I'm also curious if folks are seeing standard cup and core
preformance or explosive vld preformance?
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Thinking Stick and Scenar have missed this thread. Hope they find it and start putting up some dead animal pics.
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Dober,
been thinking bout the Scenars also, got couple hundred coming for my new 6.5x284 currently being built,,,
seems like Pat has great success, also lots people get excellent accuracy,,,
27 Below this morning here, coyotes didnt want to move to well, only got 1 with the 168 berger,,,673 yards,,,i think some 800 and 1000 yd steel ringing in the works tomorrow,,,,
someday before july i hope we have spring up here.....
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A poke at 673 on a yote is darn good shooting! Glad that March Madness is about to kick in, take my mind off wanting to get out and play.
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Still no pictures other than dead trees? I am quite disappointed.
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A poke at 673 on a yote is darn good shooting! Glad that March Madness is about to kick in, take my mind off wanting to get out and play.
Dober March is Sno-Goph month!!
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Where is Pat at? He has all the Scenar goody.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_0371.jpg) Father and son team with a pair of mule deer bucks shot with 155 scenars from their 30/06's. One shot each. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0006-9.jpg) A good bud of mine with a nice 7X7 bull shot in the breaks with his .308 155 scenars. Both rib shots broadside at 700 meters. The bull never went 10 feet. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/2007063.jpg) Another bud with a 360" 6X6 shot at 447 meters with my GAP .308 and two well placed 155's. He shot from the ridge in the upper left corner of the picture. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/2007082.jpg) 105gr scenar from a .240 Weatherby. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_0398.jpg) "Old Duffers" came out from Iowa and hunted with me. I told them to leave their rifles at home and I loaned them one of my .308's. This buck was shot at 600 meters with a 155gr scenar.
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Where is Pat at? He has all the Scenar goody. would guess his boys are wrapped up in sports......either that or he has been in nonstop yote whacking and stacking mode 
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Spoke too soon!  I should go ahead and tell him he sucks now, so i don't hafta do it later....
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0039.jpg) My .308 on loan again....about 200 meters. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0036.jpg) Same guy from an earlier pic with a different buck. This one was right at 300 meters broadside. You can see the exit hole.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_1275-1.jpg) One of my own. Shot was 470 meters. Bullet went through and left a 1.5" or so exit.
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How do the scenars do up close?
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Spoke too soon! I should go ahead and tell him he sucks now, so i don't hafta do it later.... The old speak of the Devil saw applies here methinks
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Pat's pictures are going to make me rethink my hatred of the .308. Just what I need another caliber fetish
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/momsantelope015.jpg) 139gr scenar,.260 Rem. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/antelope2010027.jpg) 250gr .338LM from 600 meters. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/alandpat020.jpg) My bud from Whitehorse, YT, hunted with me last fall and killed this buck from the timbered ridge behind him with my .260 and one 139gr scenar. Probably the largest bodied buck I've ever seen. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/lasthunt002.jpg) A good bud's girlfriend with her first mule deer buck shot with my "Little .308" and a 155gr scenar..she killed a cow elk with the same rifle earlier that morning at 493 yards if I remember right. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/alandpat042.jpg) Another old, heavy antlered buck we shot this fall with a .308 and same bullet. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/antelope2010018.jpg) Big scenar bullet used here.....shoot deer and elk with a .308 and antelope with a damn .338LM.....doesnt make much sense....grin!
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How do the scenars do up close? They work well. I believe they have a harder jacket than say a Berger VLD.
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As always awesome pics. and thanks for sharing.
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scenar- what bullet would you compare them to, on-game wise?
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Thx Pat, now that's what I'm talking about. Thinking some bruins are gonna be hurting for certain this spring via flight 155.
They gonna do allright out of my WSM?
Thx again
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_1247.jpg) 530 meters broadside 155gr scenar. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/bearhunt2010032.jpg) 450 meters with same bullet and same exact result. I've got a pal who uses the 155's out of his .30/.338 at 3200+ they work for him too.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/alandpat052.jpg) 320 meters....you can see the entry halfway up the right shoulder. It exited the same place on the left side.
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Scott, that is a very interesting pic. Lapua just forgot to add 20 grains of lead. Here is an exterior pic from a PM last Summer. ![[Linked Image]](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/montanasam/diehay007.jpg) Pat, incredible collection of Scenar'd critters!
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Scenarshooter, what kind of rifle rest is that with the A-frame of metal with the cartridge storage up front?
Looks nice.
What kinda load are you using with the 155's? What kinda speed you getting with em?
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_1510.jpg) That's a little deal I make from aluminum plate, brass hinges, leather and a nylon draw string. In my .308's I use: Lapua brass Hodgdon's Varget Wolf LRM,CCI BR2,or Fed 210M primers. 5 thou. jump. Bearing surface will vary a bit from lot to lot, so dont forget to always check it. Learned this the hard way....grin! I'm getting between 2925 and 2950fps in three different barrels. All three are 1-11". Bartlein 5R@ 26", Krieger MTU@ 26" and a Rock #3 @ 24". The Bartlein and the Rock are really fast barrel's and I've pushed a few test loads beyond 3000fps. My ES is lower at 2950 or so and brass holds up better as well.
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Hey Pat, how'd you come up with your forum handle...
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Pat,
Mind sharing what load the guys were using with the 155 Scenar and the 30-06?
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Is 2011 going to be the year of the Scenar?
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Pat,
Mind sharing what load the guys were using with the 155 Scenar and the 30-06?
Thanks in advance We started out with 58.0grs H4350 and worked up and stopped at 3000fps(best ES and groups)At around 3050fps the bolt lift was getting stiff. Lapua brass Fed 210M ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0053.jpg) Antelope buck shot with an '06 and 155gr scenar with that load.
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Thanks for the load data. That's great speed from the 24" tube. Hope I can get mine up there.
Love the rifle rest looks like load data on one side and ammo loops on the other. I'm gonna build one this week.
Piano hinge on either side???
Looks like it would fold up nice and carry well with the little seat I usually carry with me.
Got any close up pics of it?
Also are you running the moly coated bullets or straight copper bullets??
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0007-4.jpg) .308 on loan again. This buck was shot at 500 meters with a 155.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_0292-1.jpg) Here's one shot with a .300WM and 155gr scenar. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/2007029.jpg) Same and same.. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_1195.jpg) This young man's first antelope. 300gr scenar .338LM, 400 meters. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/Familyantelope2009032.jpg) The boy's holding up their mom's antelope she shot at 500+ meters with her .308 and a 155gr scenar....notice how I said 'her' .308....grin!
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/novMDBuck09004.jpg) My pal and a buck he took with his Surgeon .308 at around 600 meters using the scenar. He made a great shot in a 20mph+ cross wind. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_0394.jpg) My uncle from Iowa with his first buck. The shot was 287 meters with my Surgeon .308 and 155. We recovered that bullet from the off side. the Core was intact and not seperated from the jacket. One of the few scenars I've ever recovered. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scan0050-3.jpg) This buck was less than 200 meters...155 went right through on a broadside rib shot.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/NZtrip2010016.jpg) 155 scenar did this guy in at 200 meters... ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/IMG_2347.jpg) Exit hole side..
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Can you suggest a good source for scenar load data? I have a .300 WM Sako TRG. Light bullets? 180gr + bullets?
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/loganscoyotes006.jpg) My youngest with his first double...shot from the ridge above his head with my Surgeon .308 and 155's....a day I'll never forget. We watched these coyotes come up the draw from more than a mile away. The first shot was 200 meters, the second was right at 300. I've taken over 700 coyotes with that bullet and have never had one stay in. Even on lengthwise shots. They really penetrate.
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Scenar, do you have any idea how many big game kills you have been part of. All your pics. made me order some scenars to try in my 308.LOL Awesome pics of the kids.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/alandpat007.jpg) I've got a few left...last fall .308, 155 from 320 meters. It was getting dark and I wanted him anchored right there so I shot for the front shoulders. The bullet passed through and he dropped right there. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/kimdoug069.jpg) 300gr scenar from a .338LM. I'm thinking it was under 200 meters. ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/kimdoug072.jpg) Exit on same cow... ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/kimdoug060.jpg) He used the same rifle and load for this mule deer buck with the same results.
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Okayyyyy...gotta say it anyway Pat...YOU SUCK!
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Can you suggest a good source for scenar load data? I have a .300 WM Sako TRG. Light bullets? 180gr + bullets? The newest VihtaVuori reloading manual(#4) has quite a bit of scenar bullets listed in their testing....course its all their powder only. And thats not a bad thing. VV powder is pretty damn good. I use it in my .338LM.
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At least you're using an acceptable big game cartridge and not some silly ass Swift...
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I've taken over 700 coyotes with that bullet and have never had one stay in. Even on lengthwise shots. They really penetrate.
That is interesting Pat. I shot a 'coyote' with a 140AB last week and the dog held it head on.
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Pat,
Mind sharing what load the guys were using with the 155 Scenar and the 30-06?
Thanks in advance We started out with 58.0grs H4350 and worked up and stopped at 3000fps(best ES and groups)At around 3050fps the bolt lift was getting stiff. Lapua brass Fed 210M Antelope buck shot with an '06 and 155gr scenar with that load. Many thanks. How far off the lands do you usually start your load work up?
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huntr, I like to start at the lands and work back..
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My youngest with his first double...shot from the ridge above his head with my Surgeon .308 and 155's....a day I'll never forget. We watched these coyotes come up the draw from more than a mile away. The first shot was 200 meters, the second was right at 300. I've taken over 700 coyotes with that bullet and have never had one stay in. Even on lengthwise shots. They really penetrate. Nothing quite like a chip off the old block... Very well done student and teacher! Dober
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Awesome collection of photographs- and trophies!
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Scott,
That's a good fwiw picture.
I do know this.
Shooting those same bullets, they will all splash on armor plate from 200 to 700 yards.
The Scenars don't splash, they indent armor plate. A pretty surprising deep indention.
So far, I have no doubts about the Scenars breaking bone.
I'll be further testing later this spring in other mediums.
I do have a question for Pat.
What kind of tissue bone damage do you see inside the animals you shoot?
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Spoke too soon! I should go ahead and tell him he sucks now, so i don't hafta do it later.... Since you did, I won't have too...Great pictures as always Pat, just goes to show how well good equipment and components can work. Notice you snuck a 260 kill in there. I've got a 243 with a tired barrel and have been trying to decide on a caliber for a rebarrel.
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Is there a hunting version as well as a target version of the Scenar as there is with the Berger?
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They only make one version. http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/main.shtmlMy favorite source....
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Pat-any chance you've shot the 167/30 cal?
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For whatever it's worth. Gawd, the jacket on the Scenar looks thin. Holds up at close distances, eh? It isn't bonded, is it?
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Is the 'Silver Jacket' on scenars moly or some other coating?
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For whatever it's worth. Steelhead, interesting picture. Did you do the sectioning or is that from someone else? It caught my eye because the 165 gr. BT jacket is MUCH different from the one that I sectioned a few weeks ago in my mid-winter boredom during a blizzard. Here is the pic. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/2224.JPG) From the right: 6mm 60 gr. Sierr HP, 6mm 85 gr. Sierra BTHP, 6.5mm 120 gr. Ballistic tip, 6.5mm 130 gr. Accubond, 6.5mm 140 gr. Sierra GK, .308" 125 gr. Nosler BT, .308" 155 gr. Scenar, .308" 165 gr. Nosler BT. I wonder if the 165 in your pic is from older manufacture, because the one I filed off has a MUCH thicker jacket and is of very recent manufacture.
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Is the 'Silver Jacket' on scenars moly or some other coating?
scenar- Thanks for posting the pics!!! Great stuff. Fancy name for moly....
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Pat-any chance you've shot the 167/30 cal?
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Dober Mark, I have shot those and they are extremely accurate. I was'nt impressed with the performance at long range compared to the 155's and I've never hunted with them.
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Is the 'Silver Jacket' on scenars moly or some other coating?
scenar- Thanks for posting the pics!!! Great stuff. Fancy name for moly.... Thanks! Plan on trying both the 123gr and 139gr in my 260 Rem.
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Want to get some of the 90's to give a go in my 10 twist 24/06. Anyone shot these yet?
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Pat-any chance you've shot the 167/30 cal?
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Dober Mark, I have shot those and they are extremely accurate. I was'nt impressed with the performance at long range compared to the 155's and I've never hunted with them. If I may ask, the long range performance of the heavier Scenars, not enough expansion? Too much expansion? Thank you, Expat
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Mark, did I send you a handful of 105's?....might be too long for a 10" twist. Do you have any 6's twisted faster than 10"?
90's in that setup might be really good.
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You did, I shot some yesterday with R25 (my 6/06 is a 10 twist), the combo didn't work out too well. This barrel is a bit wonky and really and I mean really hates the long heavies..
Thx 4 sending them though, I appreciate it.
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Pat-any chance you've shot the 167/30 cal?
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Dober Mark, I have shot those and they are extremely accurate. I was'nt impressed with the performance at long range compared to the 155's and I've never hunted with them. If I may ask, the long range performance of the heavier Scenars, not enough expansion? Too much expansion? Thank you, Expat When I tested them it was only at the range(167 scenars). The 155's were the clear choice performance wise.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/scenars001.jpg) On the left is a 167gr scenar, on the right is a 155. They are quite different in shape....notice the slender ogive on the 155.
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You did, I shot some yesterday with R25 (my 6/06 is a 10 twist), the combo didn't work out too well. This barrel is a bit wonky and really and I mean really hates the long heavies..
Thx 4 sending them though, I appreciate it.
Can't wait 4 spring bruins, nutha 6 weeks my friend!
Dober 100 grain BTSP hornady's is as big as my 10 twist 6/06 would handle, It needs a barrel now (along with 3 other guns). so I'll fix that soon..It sure was fun with 70 grain SMK's while it lasted!
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The 100 Horns will shoot well for me also, think I used H4831 with them. If and when I rebarrel one day it'll be a quicker twist, though to date the 95 NBT's have done me very well out to 634 yds and the 70 NBT's have done very well to 505 or so (on small big game like deer/lopes).
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/Familyantelope2009012.jpg) Another antelope that was "Lapua'ed" with a 250gr scenar at 3100fps. That bullet has a G1 BC of .675. It shoots pretty good way out there.
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Pat,
You sure like whacking 'goats with that 338 !!
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Pat have yu tried any of the 77 grain Scenar in the 6MM? My Tikka .243 has a twist that measures closer to 11 than the listed 10. It shoots crazy good with the 70 grain Nosler BT and I was thinking the 77 Scenar might work well too.
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Have you tried the 123gr Scenar in the .260 Rem?
I have a very accurate .260 with a Rem factory barrel and its slow twist....I'm thinking the 123s might be better in it than the 139s.
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I have checked here for the 155, they show two diff. bullets. 155 HPBT and 155 HPBT SJ, I'm not sure what the SJ stands for? Thanks for all the pictures and info. Any help thanks.
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SJ stands for "silver jacket" ? is this what you run?
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Pat, one thing I noticed about the 155's and shooting them out to a 1000, their BC holds true. Eric S. at Berger measured them to be less but I don't think he's ever shot any at that distance to really know for sure. He has paper figures. (Eric is a great guy btw) I like that. I love the 123's out of my 6.5 and prefer them over the 139's.
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Pat - what scope are you running on your 338LM?
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Y'all boys are sure making me want to try the 123's out of my .260...
I'd be wondering about sturdiness for critters up to elk sized....
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I have checked here for the 155, they show two diff. bullets. 155 HPBT and 155 HPBT SJ, I'm not sure what the SJ stands for? Thanks for all the pictures and info. Any help thanks. I think that the silver jacket is a moly coated bullet (I could be wrong)...
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Pat, one thing I noticed about the 155's and shooting them out to a 1000, their BC holds true.
Eric S. at Berger measured them to be less but I don't think he's ever shot any at that distance to really know for sure. He has paper figures.
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Pat - what scope are you running on your 338LM? Greg, Thats a 5-25X56 S&B PMII Mil/Mil P3 reticle.
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I have never used them so I gotta ask. Do these bullets expand at long range, and hold up at short range? Also were they meant for game?
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Fotis, you need to read the caption under each pictures. Many are close, more are far, seldom are bullets recovered.
Damn fine pics Pat. Love the rifles and the pics. I bought a thousand of the old style 175 grain Scenars in .30 caliber. I tried them in a couple of proven .30-06 rifles. I couldn't get them to shoot worth two short hoots and sold them. I figured for the money, they would be stellar performers. I have had such good results with the Amax's that I hate to change, but I do love experimenting. Flinch
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Another antelope that was "Lapua'ed" with a 250gr scenar at 3100fps. That bullet has a G1 BC of .675. It shoots pretty good way out there. scenarshooter, what has been your experience with the 338 cal 250 Scenar. I did some extensive testing with them in 2004-05 and found them to be quite an anomaly, they dont expand on anything at any distance or velocity. obviously your 155gr 30 cal's do expand, I wonder if Lapua uses different metalurgy on the jacket of this bullet
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I wonder if the large hollow area of the bullet allows for the jacket to collapse on top of the core, holding in more intact than some other cup and core bullets??? Just wondering...
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anyone run these in an autoloader ?
with all this killin and accuracy goin on in this thread got me thinking of trying them in an lr-308, but didn't want to spend money if they get deformed in anyway or don't feed well.
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am diggin' the long winter, and bein' at home more than usual...
but, por favor, what is this scenar???
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I think I'll try a few myself. That big hollow nose cavity and Pat's success with various critters at long ranges has me intrigued.
Thought I'd load up some Hornady 150 gr. Interlock BT's, some 150 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips and some 155 gr. Scenars and see how they fly in the wind way out there. Time to dust off the .308's and try something new in the custom '06 anyway.
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but, por favor, what is this scenar??? Lapua Scenar bullets.
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Yep- worked up a 123g Scenar load w/ RL19 for the Swede this spring. They shoot lights out- way out there. I'll be pointing them at critters this fall.
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I gave these bulets a run over some Varget today and holy crap there accurate! Cant wait to see what they do to MI deer.
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I plan on shooting three pronghorn in Wy with some weight of 6.5 Scenar. Any prefere3ndce as to which???
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If your barrel is 1-8" or 1 8.5" you should give the 139's a try. They shoot well in my GAP Crusader .260. The 123's shoot damn good too.
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It's supposed to be a 1/8" according to the seller and he says it did slightly less than MOA with Black Hills 139gr Scenar stuff. I guess I should just start with that bullet and I'm guessing H4350?
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A couple of posters mentioned the Bergers. I wonder if the nose profile delays expansion like the Berger, might help explain the deep penetration. Assuming that they do expand instead of tumble.
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They shoot great in my 308 and scenarshooter has more than enough proof they work but I would like to see a recovered bullet too. Something about shooting a target bullet into game..
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Hmmm, 6mm, 6.5s, 308s, but no 7mms.
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Yep, sure wish they made them in 7mm.
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I plan on shooting three pronghorn in Wy with some weight of 6.5 Scenar. Any prefere3ndce as to which??? Anybody have results on deer or pronghorn with 6.5 123's? They shoot lights out in my 6.5-06.
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yes would like to hear reports on the 6.5
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Bump on the 6.5 139 Scenars performance in game at .260 speeds.
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Bump to ask if anyone has on-game experience (or at least ballistic media testing experience compare to other bullets) with the 123 gr Scenar at .260/6.5x55 velocities.
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Yep, sure wish they made them in 7mm. I kind of wonder why they don't..? Thoughts anyone? Thx Dober
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The life out of critters... Dober
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I think this is a cool thread, but i don't see any greta magic in the scenar bullet, other than the fact that they shoot great.
I mentioned in another post recently about so many of us being obsessed with bonded bullets, partition bullets, high sectional density bullets, and etc.
It seems to the point that if many couldn't shoot the premium bullet of their choice, they'd stay home for fear of projectile disfunction.
The real gold in this thread is
scenarshooter spending so much time hunting. And obviously getting a lot of guys out there who might otherwise be hung up on whether to use the bonded, the monometal, or the partition...
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I'm sure you know this, but when one starts contemplating shots at somewhere around 300 yards and beyond, then wind deflection starts to be a very real issue. One great thing about Scenar bullets (like the Berger VLDs) is that they have great aerodynamics (as indicated by ballistic coefficient), which means they drift a lot less in the wind compared to conventional lead tipped bullets. The question is how the various Scenars (like the .264" 123 gr Scenar) behave when they contact deer and elk-sized creatures.
Shooting deer at under 200 yards doesn't pose any great questions regarding bullets, ballistics, etc., so one just needs to use conventional hunting bullets. Preparing to possibly shoot animals farther than 200 yards means that a person needs to maximize the odds to being dead on target EVERY time with an effective bullet. Reducing wind drift means reducing the potential error due to variable winds and other issues.
When all of my hunting was in the woods, I didn't care about things like wind drift and bullet BC and other such issues, but if I'm going after skittish pronghorns on the open plains in public hunting areas, I want to know that everything in the shooting system, including the bullet, is going to maximize my opportunity for success.
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Yep, sure wish they made them in 7mm. I kind of wonder why they don't..? Thoughts anyone? Thx Dober I emailed them and asked.... never heard back from them.
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Anybody run the 69 or 77 grain scenar out of a 22 cf? Thinking of trying the 69 grainer in my 223AI...
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Bump to ask if anyone has on-game experience (or at least ballistic media testing experience compare to other bullets) with the 123 gr Scenar at .260/6.5x55 velocities. yeah this^^ I will be ordering a box of the 123gr scenars to test out on the .260 Kimber Montana. Looking to let them fly at ranges after deer season is over.
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I shot a 225 lb boar hog last monday with a 123 grn Scenar from my 260 rem.The shot was 225 yrds,bullet entered just in front of his left shoulder broke the top of his spine,smashed up the right shoulder and found some lead fragments in the shield.The pig dropped at the shot.DRT!
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I kind of wonder why they don't..?
Thoughts anyone?
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A nice October bump.
I hope more game pictures to follow, by others.
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It seems to the point that if many couldn't shoot the premium bullet of their choice, they'd stay home for fear of projectile disfunction.
LMAO, and around this place soooo true. Despite having killed well over 100 head of big game before I ever found this site, I never knew it took a super premium to kill a measly little deer or antelope until I learned it here. Man, have I been enlightened! Bill
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It seems to the point that if many couldn't shoot the premium bullet of their choice, they'd stay home for fear of projectile disfunction.
LMAO, and around this place soooo true. Despite having killed well over 100 head of big game before I ever found this site, I never knew it took a super premium to kill a measly little deer or antelope until I learned it here. Man, have I been enlightened! Bill Just out of curiousity, do you consider "measly little deer and antelope" to be Big Game? I'm not sure sure what qualifies Big Game to be Big Game.
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I'm not sure sure what qualifies Big Game to be Big Game. Check the AK regs.  Deer, wuffs and wolverines are considered BIG game.
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Well, they fall under the big game regs. I'm curious what he considers to be "big game". I can see killing a mature buck being big game, but killing a young doe is big game?
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I can hardly consider any deer to be BIG game. Big game starts at the elk level to me.
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Federal lists antelope, mule deer, white-tail, and black bear as Medium Game on the back of it's Federal Premium Ammo.
Big Game is: elk, moose, and brown bears.
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OK if you want to anal-ize it, fine, deer and antelope are medium game, whatever. Jusn't change my point.
I was just poking fun anyway and haven't read a factory federal box in years, never realized the almighty word of bullet gods was on them....
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So, how many heads of real Big Game have you killed?
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Anyone running the 155 Scenar this Fall?
Happy Hunting.
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I will be running the 155gr Scenar in my GAP exclusively this fall.
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I will be running the 155's as well in my custom M70 308 for WY lopes and possibly some Michigan deer if I head up north a bit.
Looking forward to it actually, this thread definitely helped with my decision. Through the years I have used a variety of Innerloks, Partitions, Ballistic Tips and even one Accubond - but I am hoping for big things from the Scenar!
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Yeah, I'm also going to use them in my 308 this year.
Looks like they have been well tested.
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Last post was almost a year ago today.
Who will use Scenar's in 2013?
I will use the 136 in my 260, 155's in my 308.
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Last post was almost a year ago today.
Who will use Scenar's in 2013?
I will use the 136 in my 260, 155's in my 308.
why would you use a bullet designed to shoot targets to hunt with? Use a Accubond or ballistic tip bullet instead
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In guessing you didn't look at any of the thread?
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In guessing you didn't look at any of the thread? Yeah, Tanner. Gobs of info and evidence that these bullets do work, and work well on game. So, the question becomes, "Why not". Like you, I don't understand the "Why" question...  IMHO, DF
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In guessing you didn't look at any of the thread? Yeah, Tanner. Gobs of info and evidence that these bullets do work, and work well on game. So, the question becomes, "Why not". Like you, I don't understand the "Why" question... IMHO, DF Seen gobs of info they don't too. Makes no sense to me with all of the good bullet choices out there today, designed to kill animals
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In guessing you didn't look at any of the thread? I sifted through the gibberish
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In guessing you didn't look at any of the thread? I sifted through the gibberish Do you know anything about Scenarshooter (Pat)? DF
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I guess that's a no for cooperfan, how about the rest of ya?
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I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters....
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I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters.... Urban myths and conventional "wisdom" can become "gibberish" in light of evidence presented. Me, I'll go with the evidence and I have the utmost respect for Pat's expertise and experience. He's a modest man and doesn't toot his own horn. Those who really know him well, tell a much different story. This man's a legend and we're fortunate, or at least were fortunate, for his input here on the Fire... IMHO and unsolicited editorial. DF
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I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters.... He's got a much nicer collection of heads than I do, that's for sure. Looks like most shot with the 155 grain/.308, maybe that has a tougher jacket, it doesn't look like it in one of the photos. Also noticed that he did not recommend a couple certain weight grains, why I don't know. I don't proclaim to be an expert, I just don't understand why anyone would use a target designed bullet over a hunting designed bullet when there are so many good ones out there. I certainly never intended to disrespect Pat
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I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters.... He's got a much nicer collection of heads than I do, that's for sure. Looks like most shot with the 155 grain/.308, maybe that has a tougher jacket, it doesn't look like it in one of the photos. Also noticed that he did not recommend a couple certain weight grains, why I don't know. I don't proclaim to be an expert, I just don't understand why anyone would use a target designed bullet over a hunting designed bullet when there are so many good ones out there. I certainly never intended to disrespect Pat Some things are just beyond our understanding... I don't understand everything I know, either... I just go with what seems to work. DF
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I've got a bunch loaded up with R17 for my 300 wsm... Just gotta test them. If they shoot well, they will be getting the go ahead for coues deer and possibly blak bear.
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year...
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year... Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough...
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Carl,
Tell me more about the 139's. I have 2 sticks that love em. I was going to go with the 140 amax however you may have just changed that.
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Not Carl, but from what I've gathered from Pat and others, the 139 gr. Scenar will hold together better than a 140 gr. VLD which seems to hold together better than the 140 gr. A-Max.
So, seems to me the choice would be based on velocity, accuracy of the individual bullet and the animal being hunted. From my experience, all three are pretty accurate.
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I would agree. the 139 is without question my 6.5-06's most favorite. Wapiti is on the list this fall. My confidence is with the 139 just wanting another push for it.
I know what his Goat results looked like. Curious on the bigger bodies Mulies though.
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Look at Pat's pile of trophies... DF
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Speaking of the apparant thin jacket on the Scenar and the way it's made, some are questioning the how and why of how it does what it does. I saw the thin jacket and the air pocket at the nose.
Lapua obviously knows how to make bullets that work and are super precise. I don't know how they do it, I'm not a bullet mfg. engineer. Maybe the jackets are bonded, maybe the lead core is a harder alloy. I don't know how they work, just that they do.
I take the evidence (consistent performance on lots of game) at face value and will use these bullets.
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Partner and I shot a buck and a doe each. The bucks were definitely on the big bodied side. Impact velocity was between 2650 and 2200. No drama associated with any of it, stuff died quickly. I don't recall exact exit sizes, but I know they weren't huge. It was elkhuntingguide's considerable experiences that led me to proceed with confidence.
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Thanks Carl. Yep I read his stuff as well. I feel more better now. I knew in the back of my cranial cavity the 139's were GTG. Just needed 'nuther push. Venison and 139's are hand and hand. Wapiti hide and bone matter is where I'm at right now.
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I'll be sending 155's out of my .308 this fall. Dont have any on game results with them, but they shoot better than any other bullet in my rifle.
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year... Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough... Pointer, My 260 will hopefully send the 130 VLD through 2 WY pronghorns in October. Where u heading?
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Epic thread.
Thanks for sharing Pat.
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Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year... Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough... Pointer, My 260 will hopefully send the 130 VLD through 2 WY pronghorns in October. Where u heading? A bit west of Laramie. Both my neighbor and I have a buck and two doe tags. Hoping to head back this way with loaded coolers... Good luck on your trip! You plan on taking it to KY this year as well??
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Good luck to you as well. Yep, going to KY also. Might try the 123 Scenar.
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I'd think that would be perfecto on whitetails. Keep me posted if you have an 'test subjects' cooperate.
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I'm looking forward to testing out the 136 scenars out of my soon to be built 6.5x47L hunting rifle this season.
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This ram died via a few 155 Scenars.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m545/Tanner_Coulter/terryfowlerram_zps6ba8529e.jpg)
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Pretty ram Tanner. Did he catch one of those scenars in the noggin?
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Sure did. Guy didn't want to listen to me when I told him "You don't need to dial elevation for this..." on a shot that was 250 yards and at a 45 degree downhill angle. What do I know?!
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Some folks are really smart that way.
You going to get to hunt too?
Hope so.
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He was a very smart guy, just wanted to stick to his DOPE and in some ways I can't blame him... either way he ended up with a beautiful ram and a bunch of meat.
I'll get to hunt at some point down the road!
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He sure did.
Hope you find a good one.
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Tanner you look very good behind that Ram. I hope you get one soon.
Take care, enjoy your time.
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Sure did. Guy didn't want to listen to me when I told him "You don't need to dial elevation for this..." on a shot that was 250 yards and at a 45 degree downhill angle. What do I know?!
Tanner Ah yes, in time you will learn the subtle art of whispering to the client something like, "STOP [bleep] WITH YOUR SCOPE AND SHOOT THE [bleep] THING". Forcefully enough to get your point across, but without coming across as such an Ahole that you lose your tip. Why was he dialing for 250 yards anyway? Was it one of those deals where he couldn't believe it was only 250 yards....must be 400? Glad he got it killed without too much extra drama.
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That's a beautiful ram! Nice work Tanner! You do look good there.
But why would anyone dial anything for a shot at 250 yards?
How many shots, or did miss that somehow...(?)
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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How bad was that real estate around that ram? Behind you looks pretty sporty. Hope you got to eat some sheep ribs on an open fire at some point.
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Here's a pic of where he died, Kurt.... "Sporty" would definitely describe getting him out of that hole and up onto the spire seen in the pic. I came close to ending up at the bottom of that chute more than once... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m545/Tanner_Coulter/IMG_0509_zps87c00d46.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m545/Tanner_Coulter/IMG_0505_zpsc20a39b1.jpg) Heard a couple stories of rams dying and falling off cliffs, taking tumbles so bad that they ended up with no guts inside and both horns broken off. That's a beautiful ram! Nice work Tanner! You do look good there.
But why would anyone dial anything for a shot at 250 yards?
How many shots, or did miss that somehow...(?) Bob, I believe the hunter fired 3 times.... one zipped through the ribs and pretty much ended it. One must've gone high... the shot through the head entered behind and exited right under the horn, basically missing any CNS stuff. Tanner
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Wow Tanner, that last pic is intense!
I will stick to our little hills around here....grin
Awesome pic.
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Wow Tanner, that last pic is intense!
I will stick to our little hills around here....grin
Awesome pic. Seconded, except I don't have any little hills.
long before Rodriguez stole that goat.
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Great pictures Tanner! I have recently started shooting the 155's in two different .308's and the accuracy is great, they don't seem to be particularly sensitive to seating depth. Varget and Lapua brass, CCI BR primers. Hopefully get to add to the "dead critters via Scenar" thread later. For now I was surprised at the pass through on mild 1/2" steel at 200yds. Velocity around 2850fps. ![[Linked Image]](http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww43/scoutandyukon/a7bdddf8-0c56-4753-b7d2-6f95fb2fb398_zpsbc3b3e19.png)
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Golden............
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Tanner,
Looks like some sporty country and not unlike stuff I hunt occasionally right across the way from my little shack in the hills.
Enjoy the opportunity while it lasts (hope it lasts a good long time too) as life has a funny way of redirecting our best laid plans.
Caution is your friend buddy. A bad sprain turns a tough hike into a sumbitch. I've spent the night on a steep azzed, slippery snow and ice covered scree field due to one wrong step when I was in my early 20s and solo hunting the Frank Church.
You are a smart dude. just some friendly food for contemplation when you turn the headlamp off.
Happy hunting Amigo.
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Tanner,
Looks like some sporty country and not unlike stuff I hunt occasionally right across the way from my little shack in the hills.
Enjoy the opportunity while it lasts (hope it lasts a good long time too) as life has a funny way of redirecting our best laid plans.
Caution is your friend buddy. A bad sprain turns a tough hike into a sumbitch. I've spent the night on a steep azzed, slippery snow and ice covered scree field due to one wrong step when I was in my early 20s and solo hunting the Frank Church.
You are a smart dude. just some friendly food for contemplation when you turn the headlamp off.
Happy hunting Amigo. You said it.... Caution in those mountains is the name of the game. I have pretty good balance and some okay hiking abilities, and it still seemed to be every day that we got into some spots that were borderline dangerous/uncomfortable. I can't imagine how it'd be for a Flatlander to head up North and try to hang tough in the big granite. Getting caught out with a messed up leg (or worse) is definitely up there on my list of things to avoid. We are on the same page when it comes to that! Hope the season treats you well, Tanner
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Snowy what are you launching the 139 grainers out of?
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