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What is best to buy a new firearm or rechamber an existing firearm and why? Buckfever1
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A rechamber or rebarrel will give you much more choice than a new firearm purchase. You could easily rebarrel a favorite rifle that fits you perfectly and one you're familiar with.
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If I had the extra flo I would like one in a Kimber or Cooper.
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Don't get me wrong, if you have the desire and the means to purchase a NEW rifle then I will always say that is a good enough reason to get one.
My earlier point was just that an old friend which fits you like a glove could provide the basis for an effective and comfortable rifle with which to begin a new set of adventures in a new guise.
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If you like what you have currently I'd re-barrel. If not, I'd sell what you don't like and build/buy new...
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why is the 280 such a popular AI round?? from reading on here it seems like its the most popular AI. I thought it was already improved.
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I could be wrong but I think it is because of, years ago (maybe still) the .280 was loaded to lower pressures with factory loads. By AI'ing and loading to normal (or more) pressures, you would see a lot of improvement. Things die slow so there is the myth. miles
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Many people who build or chamber AI rounds load them pretty warmly. This leads .280 AI enthusiasts to claim they can match the 7mm Remington Magnum in a small case. And of course they can--by loading the .280 AI to higher pressures than the 7mm Remington Magnum.
Exactly why this is better than just using a 7mm Remington Magnum is rarely explained. Often the enthusiasts claim less recoil--which is BS. Often they claim better accuracy, which is natural when a rifle has a top-grade custom barrel. Rarely they claim the ability to put more rounds in the magazine, which doesn't seem to speak very well of the ability of the cartridge or the shooter.
Don't get me wrong. I have used the .280 AI and it worked very well on game, though mine was a Ruger No. 1, so I couldn't take advantage of the greater magazine capacity. But in the end I decided exactly the same thing I decided 15 years ago, after using the standard .280 for a lot of hunting over several years: The .280 AI is a great cartridge, in fact it's just as good as the .270 Winchester!
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I'm a .270 Winchester slut and if my new .280AI rifle is as good as my .270 700KS I'll be ecstatic.
With the added benefits of bullet commonality with my 7-08 and the wind drift advantage of the higher BC bullets readily available in .284".
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I'd just save my pennys and look for a used M700 and build one.
A 7mm Mag will burn 6 to almost 10 grains more of powder than a 280 AI just to equal the AIs performance with 150g bullets or less.Only place a mag has any real advantage is lobbing heavy turds.
The AI
Less recoil.
Less blast.
Better barrel life.
One of Parker Ackleys favorite rounds.
Mine too.
As our friend Dober is fond of saying.
In the game fields, its ballistic "gack"
Now that 280 AI brass can be bought.
Its AI all day every day.
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buckfever, That is what happens when you hang around places like this too long... Things have a tendency to rub off on you... You get to wanting what some of these guys have... Don't feel bad, I'm no different... A few years ago, I didn't have even one McSwirley , Now look at me: I've got several... Before I found this site, I didn't even know they existed! The good news is: If you have a standard .280 Rem, or .270 Win; they will kill anything just as dead as an A.I. You just can't brag as much about the "cool factor"... But if you can ignore what everyone else does, you'll have a lot more money in the bank...  (But don't follow my lead... I'm broke!) GH
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how much compacity is gained by AI'ing the 280??
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I am in the process of building my second 280AI. I always liked the 280, and the 280AI just a better package in my opinion. Less trimming, and it is the "most" 7mm you can get on a standard bolt face.
It depends on what brand rifle you want, but you could just find a 280 and have it punched out.
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You just can't brag as much about the "cool factor"... If 'cool' is important to you, go the 7x64 and ignore the others. 
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Many people who build or chamber AI rounds load them pretty warmly. This leads .280 AI enthusiasts to claim they can match the 7mm Remington Magnum in a small case. And of course they can--by loading the .280 AI to higher pressures than the 7mm Remington Magnum.
Exactly why this is better than just using a 7mm Remington Magnum is rarely explained. Often the enthusiasts claim less recoil--which is BS. Often they claim better accuracy, which is natural when a rifle has a top-grade custom barrel. Rarely they claim the ability to put more rounds in the magazine, which doesn't seem to speak very well of the ability of the cartridge or the shooter.
Don't get me wrong. I have used the .280 AI and it worked very well on game, though mine was a Ruger No. 1, so I couldn't take advantage of the greater magazine capacity. But in the end I decided exactly the same thing I decided 15 years ago, after using the standard .280 for a lot of hunting over several years: The .280 AI is a great cartridge, in fact it's just as good as the .270 Winchester! Bravo I have a 280AI.....it's the fireform load for my Mashburn....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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cumminscowboy,
About 5 grains, depending on brand of brass. If you handload the standard .280 up to the same pressure (65,000) then it comes within 50 fps or so of the AI.
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But in the end I decided exactly the same thing I decided 15 years ago, after using the standard .280 for a lot of hunting over several years: The .280 AI is a great cartridge, in fact it's just as good as the .270 Winchester! 
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Really aren't many options for just buying a factory rifle, are there? Cooper, few other semi-custom production guns? Not like you can just open up the Remington or Winchester catalog and pick one out.
Hopefully the 84L .280 AI becomes a reality, as I'd like one myself.
Do I need one, NO but I've always wanted a .280 and the AI is just the icing on the cake to me at least.
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cumminscowboy,
About 5 grains, depending on brand of brass. If you handload the standard .280 up to the same pressure (65,000) then it comes within 50 fps or so of the AI. Well, that sort of seals the deal for me then. I have a Remington Mountain Rifle chambered in .280 that I have been thinking of a barrel swap to .280AI or possibly punching the factory tube out to AI. If 50 fps is what I can expect in the way of an "improvement", I think I'll just pass. Thanks for weighing in John. Dave
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