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This just went from a rational discussion to a leftist-diatribe.

Why should some folks get to acquire their health care insurance without paying income tax on the money that bought it and other not? Talk about not fair. I start a little business and actually create a few jobs and Guess what? I qualify to pay income tax and buy my insurance with after tax dollars.

If you're in business in Wi - prayers sent. >not kidding<

Okay, here is exactly where I stand on this Teacher issue, whether it be Wisconsin, Idaho, or any other state.

Offer the Union a contract for whatever it is that you can afford to pay them. If they do not accept said contract, let them go out on strike......whatever.


Do like Reagan did. Hire replacements. Either you will find replacements who will do the job better than the original Union teachers, or you will discover the original teachers were worth a bit more than you offered them.

But, (and I am as much against coercive tactics and Chicago style thuggery as anyone. Thank God I have never seen that side of Unionism) you can not legislate away a group's right to stand together and ask for improved conditions. Does not matter who that group works for.

Well, I guess you can. Just like some places legislate away one's right to defend his life with justified lethal force, or legislate away ones right to even own the ability to defend his life.

Well, I sure as heck am no leftist.

But historical facts do stand. Union busting and gun confiscation are both tools of a fascist state. That we see one as right wing and the other as left wing today is irrelevant. Fascism can and has come from either side.

will be interesting to see if there will be follow through on the recall campaigns that have been initiated around the state. last score I saw was eight Dems, eight Repubes.

I'll tell ya, I love the strategy that the Walker admin. used to get this work done. Very refreshing to see Repubes working the options available to make law happen. Bravo!

I hope to see the specific content of what was voted on tonight. Hope it has a bunch of content that was on my wish list. Walkers proposed budget has several items I hoped for. Remove unfunded by state mandates. Freeze property tax levy.

On other threads here I posted my desire to explore removing tax exempt status from various religious based orgs. Oddly enough, that work has been initiated recently. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has been running reports of these efforts. Bravo!

What you're not understanding is they still CAN negociate, and ASK for improved conditions. You might not get them, but you sure as hell can ask for them

It was starting to look bleak, as the Democrats halting the state's government gave time for the unions to run their smear campaigns against Walker, and the Republicans.

As to the Milwaukee Urinal - I'd use it only for it's namesake, not for information (especially in regards to politics).

+1. They usually cave to the Dems even when they have the upper hand. About time indeed.

That is not what the OP said.

Ah yes, the Milwaukee Urinal Sentimental . . . not worth the newsprint it's printed on.

Well, perhaps the sports, and comics.

'Specially the sports, they're as "homer" 'bout Wisconsin teams as they are of Democrats. In that context, I'm as much a hack as next person. Go Pack! >grin<

The MI legislature passed a law giving emergency financial managers, who are appointed by the state, the right to void any public union contract. It should be signed by next week latest.

The moderate mind is a terrible thing to waste....

Problem is.. That ain't how it goes. People gather together and demand something (better conditions, wages, ect.) or else we will disrupt your business. That is then extortion in my view. That is what the mob does on a different scale and to me that is union mentality. They think/want something other than their salary/benifits. They want a say in running the company, that is not theirs. miles

Same yowling from the lefties here..

And what really galls me is they continue to refer to the agreements as 'rights'.... BULLCRAP..

They used the dems own sneaky-azzed tactics against 'em, that's what happened..

I sure hope those motel bills in IL are steep... Heheheheee..

While I didn't read every post it appears to me we're arguing over the wrong issues here. The WI issue is simply about eliminating collective bargaining for public employees. They're still allowed to unionize just not collectively bargain. The Federal gov't employees aren't allowed to collectively bargain either.

Collective bargaining has become a financial disaster in every state it has been allowed in. With relatively prosperous economies and few people retiring the effects have been masked for ma ny years. Now that a huge group of people are retiring and budget deficits are grabbing hold we're seeing the disastrous effects of collective bargaining for public employees.

Private sector unions are different. If they pay employees too much the company goes out of business or they just move to another country and that's the end of it. For the public sector we're all on the hook to pay what many view as excessive compensation.

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The real reason for curtailing unions concerns retirement.
The states, and federal governments spent the retirement
contributations of the employees. Now they are trying to
avoid paying them back. If you don't believe this just
watch and wait. The buzz-word they use is "Unfunded Obligations".

Makes my day when the pay me more so I can work less crowd loses...

No one has yet to explain why TEACHERS need collective bargaining.

I can understand police and firefighters when it comes to health and disability concerns. But highly disagree on 20 year fully vested pensions with payout equalling their last year's pay.

But TEACHERS? What's there to bitch about - working conditions? Safety issues? Hazardous material?