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Destroying the country? What do you think would happen if big business was allowed to buy their republican representation, with no counter? Good things for the middle class, just like back in the 30's? Again, you ignore history and seek to pigeon hole all union representation with the worst.

By the way, it was a republican who gave amnesty to the illegals, and republicans who have also done dick about the border, why is that?

You guys ignore the results of the propaganda, fewer people possessing more of the wealth. The wealthy in this country have you convinced that Mexican trucks on U.S highways are needed to compete, NOT to undercut U.S labor for higher profits. What do you think, should U.S drivers now join a union and organize and stop Mexican trucking, or just grab their ankles and accept that bought politicians in D.C will do the right by them?

Agreed, and Republicans love big business that allows them cheap labor and shelters.

OK Barkoff -

WHY DO TEACHERS NEED TO BE UNIONIZED???

Why do you yell at me? You're stressing me out.

Because I can't find anyone out there who can answer the question.
I understand why certain job fields would need it but not teachers.

So, again, why do TEACHERS need to be unionized?

Well that is interesting, why other occupations but not teachers, have you ever been a teacher?

Off the top of my head I would say, teachers who are forced to spend their own money in the classroom for supplies, being told to teach a student who you feel is a risk, being told to show Al Gores movie in math class, or be fired, being suspended for grabbing a trouble maker by the back of the collar, being suspended for wearing a cross.

I see you've reverted to collective bargaining being a right, and still can't grasp the difference between a government, and private union.

At this juncture, I'd say it's a lost cause.



Actually I'd say it was pulled out of your asz.

'Other occupations' would be safety concern related such as firefighters and policemen.
I brought up teachers b/c of their numbers who are protesting.
I find it funny given that universities are overloaded with new teacher output so there is definitely no shortage of them.
Most of the incoming teachers have had to teach in some capacity before they received their degrees so they certainly know of any shortcomings.
My personal thought is the unions just use them for their monthly dues which collectively adds up to quite a nice campaign 'offering' while doing zilch for the teachers themselves.

Well you know that policeman and firemen were given a pass, right? You know, police and fire= conservative, teachers=liberal.

Through all of this absolute nonsense, not once has the teacher's union mentioned the education of children.

It's pretty evident what the union is all about, something I don't say about the teachers who fund it.

So those in government jobs should not be afforded colective bargaining, but YOU support the Teamsters, Operating Engineers and Iron workers?

I undersatnd that they are private unions, as such the owners/managers have an advocate.

Not so with a government union, where the union and the government are both advocates, and the owners (that'd be the taxpayers) don't.

"Til today.

I asked if you support them?

That's right. Government employees should not be allowed to collectively bargain and it's ok for private sector employees to collectively bargain. Even FDR the great socialist felt this way and specifically excluded public sector employees from collectively bargaining while allowing the private sector to.

There are many legitimate reasons for this and even to this day Federal employees are allowed to unionize but not collectively bargain. So Obama can get up and give a speach about workers "rights" but his own employees don't have that so called "right".

If you're up for some interesting reading on the subject, the supreme court ruled on the issue in 1937 and their reasons for not allowing CB for the public sector is eye-opening.

Preach it bro! Nobody said a damm thing when I mentioned that the main guy, the guy speaking through the loudspeaker, was a fireman.

I listened to the live feed for quite awhile today. There was a lot of troubling, communistic type rhetoric from the Union side, but then I heard a lot of things that actually rang true. The politicians UNDER OBAMA and BUSH sold us out and gave away tons of money to the corporations under the guise of helping the economy and creating jobs. The first was done, possibly, to a small extent. Whether the economy is now better due to what they did, nobody can tell. OTOH, the jobs haven't materialized. And while low interest loans are available it is mainly to those who don't need them.

The unions have plenty of problems, but so do those on the opposite side. I've avoided much commentary on this so far, but there are two sides to this story. When the Americans for Prosperity group was brought up, my hackles certainly raised. This group is BAD news and IMO out for big business and NOT to keep our taxes down as the portray themselves. They will be the death of the Tea Party if not closely watched.

Depends.

If they are unreasonable - I'd sell the company (and have been involved in those decisions).

One small step for man...one giant leap for Wisconsin

My hackles raised when 680 million dollars of federal stimulus money went from Obama, to then-Governor Doyle, directley to the teachers retirement and benefits - directley.